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calling all beings y'all

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all right we're back people i'm like

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jason you can slice my arm off but i'm

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coming back

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i'm back welcome back to calling all

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things my name is dj san marco i'm your

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host honored to be here with my co-host

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the brilliant the suave the debonair and

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nathan at a wave soul how are you sir

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good good sir how are you up dude i'm

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doing great man because i got some of my

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boys here so let's start off with the

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star of youtube the f-16 pilot he's

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living in portugal he's doing big things

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he's beating down mick west with a stick

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party people put your hands together

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for chris later

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i need a i need a boom mic like you guys

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have

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and then now the only what do you heard

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that can tell you what a meathead i

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really am when flying a man who was my

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classmate going through combat talent to

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school the us air force's own

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mr troy broskovis

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[Applause]

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raise yes those hands so you just went

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jogging troy yeah

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yeah he's fit he's ready

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to attack right now

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bring it on

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hey if they need me back they just got a

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call i'm ready to go

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dude i was the same way i got to hurl

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bird i'm like yeah if you guys need me

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back i can go i'll be ready for my pt

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test in two weeks let's go

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so i still i still feel that way if i

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had to go back uh and it's been three

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and a half years so anyway welcome guys

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uh let me turn it over to somebody uh

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who's a little smarter slightly better

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looking than i am but i could work on

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that uh nathan you got it sir all right

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yes we are super excited to have you

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guys on the show with us today uh just a

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quick background on each of you that i

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some google search on so if i get it

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wrong it's not my fault it's what the

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internet told me so chris you're a

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retired f-16 uh air force pilot uh

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you're also an author which i don't know

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a lot of people know you've written a

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couple books is that right two or three

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two and a half two and a half excellent

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excellent one on the way and your most

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recent sort of initiative is uh youtube

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content creator and really made a name

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for yourself in the ufo community

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analyzing videos from a pilot

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perspective so it's

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great to be here and then we've got dj

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of course my co-host is a former afsoc

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flight engineer a lot of time in the air

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and all around good human being and

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great to have you on the show as always

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with us and then lastly our special

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guest uh who is you new to all this uh

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sort of stuff uh but we are really

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really glad to have him with us uh that

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is troy broskowitz and troy you are also

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a retired air force a special operations

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pilot a long career uh with uh special

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operations including some time with jsoc

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excellent excellent i i read a few books

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i definitely can't write any and i've

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said throughout my whole career i've

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always worked with amazing people i'm

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definitely not one of them and i think

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i think uh you know having chris right

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up there again proves that uh you know

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i'm just sitting working with amazing

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people i'm definitely not one of them so

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well he is one of them actually but so

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we are definitely honored to have all of

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you guys with us so the purpose of

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today's show it's called the flight show

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and why are we doing a flight show i

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think the the purpose of that is to uh

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give our listeners a good sense of what

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it takes what it's like uh to be uh to

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be a pilot you know it particularly from

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the air force perspective so that's kind

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of the background that all of you have

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what kind of experience and depth of

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experience do most pilots have by the

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time they retire and we're going to get

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into other topics like identifying

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objects in the sky

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being very mission oriented objective

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oriented how does that play into what

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everything that you do

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and and how does that play into the way

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in which you relate to one another when

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you're on mission or even off mission so

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excited to get into some of that stuff

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so why don't we start off with um and

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chris maybe you can start us off with

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this one um how do most uh folks who

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become a pilot in the air force like how

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how did they get started on that journey

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where does it usually begin for folks

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had a dream you know when they were

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growing up they just loved planes you

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know they went to air shows or their

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parents were in the military or they

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just they liked flying

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ways to get there

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but in the air force at least u.s air

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force you have to be an officer to to

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fly right we do have enlisted um you

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know drone operators et cetera but at

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least when i was going through you had

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to be an officer so you had to get your

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commission somehow uh there's different

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ways to do that so you can go i went to

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air force academy which is

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um you know basically a thousand people

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a year would graduate but you need more

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than a thousand

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officers so there's there's other ways

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as well so rotc scholarships uh and then

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basically at your normal university but

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then you have ots so any you know anyone

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a pilot you know i have a good friend

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uh he actually had a photography degree

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from new york and he signed you know he

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walked into a recruiter's office

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basically said i want to be a fighter

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pilot and they're like that's impossible

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you know and he's like no no no you know

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they're like hey sign up here you know

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you don't you don't want to be a pilot

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what happened um so then from there uh

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officer which is kind of its own thing

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commissioning service then you can um

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put your name in the hat essentially to

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go to pilot training

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and that's the air force academy

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it gets at least when i was going

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training you know if they had like the

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a pilot and then when he when right when

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we went to went to graduate they changed

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the rules they were like we need more

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pilots you know so then they lowered the

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mistake he made he recorded it later

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colorblind okay pretty much you know and

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i think 25 if 25 of men are colorblind

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know most stories i've heard they were

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like you know people are like hey i was

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gonna go for sure i had everything my

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name in the hat to be a pilot uh but i

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was colorblind you know and that's

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probably the biggest stopping thing i

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well i i had color blindness but they

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did a test where you say red green amber

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at a distance and if you could do that

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those books but still pass so that's how

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that i passed that i could tell red

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green and amber all day long so give us

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about terrible maintenance

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terrible maintenance for for them to get

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rid of you to the engineer school huh

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yeah it was rough man it was definitely

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rough i'm sure they really missed me

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oh that guy sucks anyway

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well and so troy what what about your

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experience was it similar to chris's i

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know you didn't do the air force academy

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in a different route so can you talk

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about that chris chris lost me when he

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said he wrote books no i mean

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every everything he said was was true i

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for for me uh you know i didn't go to

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the academy but for whatever reason i

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just i uh

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i felt like i wanted to be in the

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military and i wanted to be an engineer

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i don't know why um so that was my

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initial kind of motivation i got an rotc

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scholarship uh he is a nerd

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for engineering and then i think when i

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got around a group of people

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i kind of i kind of drew some you know

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motivation maybe some courage to get

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outside the box a little bit and realize

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hey this is something i could do right

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the air force flies planes why would you

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want to do anything else if you can do

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um but but i think of the family i grew

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up in not that they didn't support me i

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think it was just hard to kind of dream

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like that right nobody was an officer in

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my family

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nobody besides my sister graduated from

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college um

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so i was around some like-minded people

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that was like hey you know here's kind

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of some of the goals you need to set

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over the next four or five years and

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yeah you might be able to be a pioneer

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for so i really changed gears there i

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still have an engineering degree i i did

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you know being here at uh you know major

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airline now um you hear a lot of people

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say oh man i want to be in the air force

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or the navy but but i could for whatever

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reason or they didn't i would just you

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know if anybody's listening i would say

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don't join the military to be a pilot

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make sure you join

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to be a leader an officer or something

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because you never know what could happen

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you could you could wash out you could

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have a have an injury lots of things

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could happen to where hey you can't fly

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and are you still ready to serve for

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four to six ten years or whatever right

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so

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um if you just truly want to be a pilot

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you don't want the other the other stuff

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well there's other paths to becoming a

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pilot and maybe you should seriously

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consider it i would just throw that out

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there

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yeah no that's great

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and dj anything you would add to this

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conversation kind of get getting started

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on the aviation journey in the air force

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well mine was a little different because

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i was enlisted so there was only one

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spot in the flight deck for an enlisted

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aviator and when i saw that i was

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actually a fighter engine mechanic when

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i started i was a f-15 engine mechanic

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and due to my mother's health with

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cancer i had to get stationed the

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closest pace i could get

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after homestead was leveled by a

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hurricane was they had c-130s and i saw

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enlisted guy go up in the flight deck

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and sit in that middle seat and i was

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like well i want to do that so i said

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you're a flyer and he said yeah i was

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like okay i didn't know there was such a

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thing as enlisted aviation so i said

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what's your job he said flight engineer

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so he told me about it and i applied and

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i didn't get it right away so i went got

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my pilot's license so there i am on the

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base i'm in the aero club i'm flying i'm

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loving it i'm just loving navigating and

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communicating and and landing the

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airplane is just awesome

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and then

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i applied for flight engineer they said

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you need to make staff sergeant first so

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i made staff i applied again

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and then um basically i

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i think i had to go and turn in uh i

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needed a boost on my package because a

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lot of people their performance report

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was firewalled to

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you know outstanding everything and i

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didn't have that which was common in

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maintenance you know not everybody's

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firewall particularly if you're not

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willing to

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you know do that stuff

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so i went and met with a senior enlisted

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aviator and i said look i got an

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aircraft mechanic license i got a pilot

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license i love this stuff i'll do you

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proud and the next duty day i got a call

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you got a slide in flight engineer

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school

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and nice

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went there and

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got that and did flu for two years of

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c-130s and then there was this thing

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about flying combat talent twos and

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that's how

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i got into a school when i showed up in

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july there was troy uh as my classmate

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and then you'll kind of hear the

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difference how chris you know went to

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upt and eventually got f-16s but then he

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goes through as a single aviator whereas

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we go through as a crew

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through school okay no that's great

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excellent well i love the fact that you

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each kind of have a little different

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different of a journey in your flight

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career uh did did it match up to your

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expectations so once you kind of started

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getting into it uh and

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really getting your hands on uh into

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flight did it really kind of line up

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with what you thought it would be uh was

364
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it better or worse than what you thought

365
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it would be

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i don't know chris you want to take that

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i i don't know i don't know what

368
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i would say pilot training was extremely

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hard i mean it's yeah it's

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i went to navy training actually so a

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little different i didn't go to you know

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fly tweets did you fly tweets i did

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yeah yeah so that's the t-37

374
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they've they've replaced it you know i

375
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never flew that that's your basic

376
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trainer in the us air force or was

377
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now it's now it's the t6

378
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um but i actually went to navy training

379
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and so i didn't fly

380
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uh with the air force but the air force

381
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training is just like hardcore hazing i

382
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mean you're getting yelled at standing

383
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in the center um

384
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i'm sure people are traumatized from it

385
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you know so what was your what was your

386
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experience troy i mean is that yeah i

387
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mean

388
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i take what i i flew

389
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twice before

390
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college as a passenger then i got like

391
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40 hours while i was in college once i

392
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got the pilot slot they they started a

393
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program where they wanted you to fly a

394
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little bit that wasn't any good i didn't

395
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know what i was doing i had low essay i

396
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mean some of these kids come to the

397
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academy they had all these lighter hours

398
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and oh yeah i mean the kid was like you

399
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know this one guy great great dude too

400
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he's like i want to be an f-15 pilot and

401
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he was he's the best dude out there you

402
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know and i'm just like man

403
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i am out of my league so yeah it was

404
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very challenging um

405
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i think having an engineering background

406
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or a technical background

407
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college kind of taught me how to study

408
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and how to just grind and for no other

409
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reason they're not quitting right like

410
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you just memorize what you need to

411
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memorize and eventually your hands kind

412
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of catch up a little bit

413
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right and uh it was it was a challenge

414
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then i would say though as i progressed

415
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through a little bit and got to the mcu

416
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and 30

417
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it it

418
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the culture changed and we can get into

419
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that a little bit later but uh yeah that

420
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first year

421
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uh it was very challenging i

422
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you know i forget i think probably after

423
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maybe like the contact phase of t-37s i

424
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realized like hey i think i could do

425
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this

426
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right but it was

427
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it was

428
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studying hard sunday through thursday

429
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going out to the club with with the

430
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class on friday and let loose a little

431
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bit right and then go right back to the

432
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grind on saturday night or well

433
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definitely sunday morning right

434
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um and if you don't do that just like i

435
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i notice in college you know you're not

436
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you're not gonna make it but if you if

437
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you grind it out

438
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:02,480
you ask questions and you're proactive

439
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with with

440
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like you know hey i don't understand

441
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this right i need help i think you can

442
00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:08,880
do just about anything you want in your

443
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life so

444
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it's not impossible

445
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make it right like there's thousands of

446
00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:16,000
thousands of air force pilots right i

447
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mean right

448
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you can do it yeah they need pilots i

449
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mean they they want you to succeed you

450
00:15:24,870 --> 00:15:22,639
know they just don't want you to succeed

451
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and then crash into someone else you

452
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know and then right and then

453
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you're you know that blood is on their

454
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hands because they they didn't

455
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they didn't fail you when they should

456
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have you know yeah right and clearly

457
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they're good at churning out pilots so

458
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it i think there may be there's a

459
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misconception at least as a civilian

460
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maybe i had this misconception that some

461
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people are just naturally gifted and

462
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they you know and when they get into the

463
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the flight chair you know that they're

464
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going to pick it up right away and it's

465
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going to be no no problem but how much

466
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of it is that

467
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in the books kind of training and just

468
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kind of learning the systems and it just

469
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does the the physicality of it and the

470
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sort of new way in which you're

471
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navigating the air as opposed to walking

472
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on two legs i mean how does that how

473
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does your perception kind of shift to

474
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where you it all kind of clicks into

475
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it's got to be totally different right

476
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yeah go ahead what's your case

477
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you know i think

478
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i think maybe initially it's 70 80

479
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mental i i think because if you can't

480
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stand up and go through emergency

481
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procedures or have the right things

482
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memorized you're not gonna fly to start

483
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with

484
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um

485
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there's a lot of you know we can get

486
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into like uh how dj i grew up

487
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there's a lot of mission planning before

488
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a flight in the mc130 and it's no

489
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different in the very first phase of

490
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pilot training like there's a lot of

491
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prep there's a lot of chair flying i

492
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would say

493
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i don't know chris what do you think

494
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like two one three to one like you fly

495
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like one hour sorority i mean you're

496
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:47,680
putting in hours and hours

497
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of trying to fly that profile and you

498
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:53,199
know if you've got no air experience at

499
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all i mean

500
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there's radio calls you have to make you

501
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know you got to start the engines and

502
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,320
taxi the damn thing to the end of the

503
00:17:01,749 --> 00:17:00,079
runway right like you take these things

504
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:01,759
for granted now but

505
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i mean just just that in itself right

506
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,199
running through all the all the checks

507
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:06,959
before you even crank the engine is like

508
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uh

509
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:10,000
the hardest thing to learn you know that

510
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:11,439
that eventually just clicks that's

511
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automatic and then the next thing

512
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:14,079
becomes automatic but then what do they

513
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throw at you then probably like fighter

514
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fundamentals right or

515
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or put a bomb down like there's just

516
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always these graduate level things you

517
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,120
need to keep learning i remember i was

518
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in a c12 so i did the second half was in

519
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:27,120
the navy program right we're doing like

520
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:29,600
steep turns into c12 nothing that hard

521
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,799
and me and my buddy are getting it we're

522
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feeling pretty good about ourselves

523
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right

524
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and uh the navy instructor he he kind of

525
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hits us on the shoulder he's like hey

526
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look dude we haven't even given you a

527
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mission yet

528
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:41,440
you know just think about how think

529
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,760
about how how easy flying is gonna get

530
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:46,000
at some point right because we're not

531
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:48,000
teaching you to fly to go have fun right

532
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:50,080
we're gonna ask you to do something with

533
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:52,080
this with this thing right they kind of

534
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,280
click like

535
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yeah man i can't wait for that

536
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:57,200
but i but i gotta get these fundamentals

537
00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:00,080
down first right so

538
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you need both there's a minimum level of

539
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of uh

540
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you know

541
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hands i guess what you would call it

542
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,280
like physically controlling the plane

543
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,880
you know you need a minimum you need to

544
00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:12,400
be able to do these certain maneuvers

545
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:13,520
you know you need to be able to safely

546
00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:15,039
land it you know you need to be able to

547
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:17,360
safely uh fly in formation you need to

548
00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:18,720
be able to safely do these other

549
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:19,840
maneuvers

550
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,760
um that they're talking about to a

551
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,600
minimum level right and then it gets

552
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:25,280
high so fighters if you're going to go

553
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:26,960
the fighter track that needs to be much

554
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,280
higher than like he mentioned the the

555
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:31,440
c12 or you know if it's a cargo plane or

556
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:34,880
a it you don't need it's much slower

557
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:35,679
uh

558
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:38,400
the the the margins for error are much

559
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:39,360
higher

560
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,120
so you don't need like the best hands

561
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,640
right um

562
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:44,320
but you need to know all the regulations

563
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:46,640
all the procedures all the rules all the

564
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,760
systems down pat you know uh i guess i'd

565
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:51,360
relate it my buddy uh so i have a good

566
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:52,400
friend or

567
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,760
anyway we went through pilot training

568
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:55,120
raja chari

569
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,480
uh he's an astronaut now he's in the

570
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:58,799
artemis program oh cool

571
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:00,400
yeah he's amazing he's the only guy i've

572
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,480
ever met through my whole career

573
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,880
um that he was really like the guy you

574
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:06,080
know you're like okay he's gonna be an

575
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:07,919
astronaut like we all knew like he's

576
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,520
gonna be an astronaut and a great guy

577
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,559
too you know

578
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:11,919
i think that's the worst part about

579
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:13,280
that's the worst part about those guys

580
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:15,039
right now i gotta be nice on top of that

581
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,240
right

582
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:18,000
i always help you out give me something

583
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:19,520
to dislike here

584
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:23,120
come on i wanna hate you for something

585
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:24,640
he had nothing dude he's just a great

586
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,120
guy he really is a super nice guy funny

587
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:29,120
you know he's not arrogant or anything

588
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:30,799
he was number one at the academy you

589
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,120
know and then he went to mit after first

590
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:35,120
masters he was number one there

591
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,480
you know he was distinguished graduate

592
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,559
in our class you know he's he didn't

593
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,080
miss i don't think i i don't think he

594
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:42,080
missed a question in pilot training troy

595
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:43,520
not one

596
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,240
uh

597
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:46,000
i don't anyway insane we take a test

598
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:47,679
every week he's the only guy i've seen

599
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,960
that really um

600
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,880
was head and shoulders above everybody

601
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,960
but he was there he

602
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,720
he wasn't i actually flew with him on my

603
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,240
final check ride and i beat him i was

604
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:58,080
better with him off actually flying the

605
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:59,440
plane physically

606
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,799
um

607
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,919
you know just had better hands or

608
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,600
whatever but he you couldn't touch him

609
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,200
at all mentally you know he was just

610
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,200
always studying he like he had a he had

611
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,360
his book like this you know and whenever

612
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,760
we'd be just like bsing or screwing off

613
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,960
or something you know he's just over

614
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,640
there like reading like this you know

615
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:16,320
the regulation just line by line that's

616
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,679
how he would do it

617
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:19,360
um and then we'd say something to him

618
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,400
you know you're always going to study

619
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,000
you know and he's like ah make some joke

620
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:23,919
you know and yes he did you know so now

621
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,480
he's on the artemis program um so like

622
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,559
you said troy

623
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,480
people just don't raise their hands man

624
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:32,000
i've met so many people through my life

625
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,440
you know and they're like oh you're a

626
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:35,039
fighter pilot oh man i always want to be

627
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,400
a fighter pilot you know and i'm like

628
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,320
did you apply you know like don't tell

629
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,320
me that you know all right but some

630
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:42,000
people were like yeah i applied you know

631
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,360
i was like oh okay

632
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,880
and i had i was color blind you know and

633
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,720
then i'm like alright that sucks

634
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,559
you're color colorblind there's nothing

635
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,039
um but like you said troy it's so mental

636
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,880
um

637
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:55,039
like literally it won't happen unless

638
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,559
you apply you know it's like like

639
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,480
anything else you know what did every

640
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,240
single youtuber ever do like they

641
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,480
published a video you know like

642
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,919
right you're not gonna

643
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:04,640
yeah

644
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,000
are entering

645
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,720
school right and it's

646
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,760
hey just

647
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:14,640
one one day one step one ap course right

648
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:15,600
like

649
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,240
want to

650
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,960
and you're itching to get out of high

651
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:22,559
school and it's like well

652
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,000
if you don't get the top 10 percent if

653
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:25,760
you don't get that academy nomination if

654
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,159
you don't you you know like if you're a

655
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,039
junior sophomore like what you do in

656
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,640
high school how you apply yourself it

657
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:34,720
really matters because that's setting

658
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,919
the groundwork for what you do in

659
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:37,200
college what you're doing pilot training

660
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,400
and it's not just

661
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:40,960
doing excellent work it's the

662
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,080
it's the grind that you're learning how

663
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,559
yeah it's a work ethic right so

664
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,760
um

665
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,440
yeah this stuff yeah yeah these are big

666
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,120
tests and then right

667
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,799
yeah even then don't you know it's not

668
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,320
worth giving up you know like my buddy

669
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:56,159
that just walked into the i'm sure he

670
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,520
had long hair too you know you just

671
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,720
walked into the

672
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,640
to the office um

673
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,080
you know

674
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,760
one thing is not giving up right if you

675
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,000
just do the same thing every day even if

676
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:08,000
it's just like 20 minutes every day

677
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:09,440
after five years you're gonna be really

678
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,840
good at that whatever it

679
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,799
is sure that's right but everyone gives

680
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,400
up they're like yeah i'm gonna do this

681
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,919
you know and then they do it for like a

682
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:18,080
couple weeks and it's like okay

683
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,440
yeah you know and then they quit you

684
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,120
know or they or they mess it up or they

685
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,520
get punched in the face doing something

686
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,200
you know they fail and then they quit

687
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,520
you know so how do you know

688
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,240
sorry go ahead no no go ahead well i

689
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,679
guess i'm curious to know from from you

690
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,360
guys like so how does

691
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,200
by the time they get through all of

692
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,039
those steps and and they've they put in

693
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,159
the hard work um what kind of people do

694
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,320
they become like what what what what is

695
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,480
it like with your peers uh when you're

696
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,039
sort of focusing on a mission or i mean

697
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,720
it sounds like to me

698
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,159
um these are folks that have

699
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:52,720
demonstrated through practical effort

700
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,919
you know that they can accomplish

701
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,520
something and they and they've developed

702
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:58,159
that kind of discipline and so

703
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,280
what kind of

704
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,280
cultural environment does that create

705
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,280
when when they get through that gauntlet

706
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:04,720
you know what kind of people do you run

707
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,600
into and and do those personalities like

708
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,120
how do you ensure that you don't just

709
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,720
like run over each other you know like

710
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,480
how do you get along in that kind of

711
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:13,840
environment with people that have become

712
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,530
so accomplished

713
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,200
[Music]

714
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,880
what do you think troy i don't

715
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,440
well i mean you're on the crew

716
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,760
we we had a well i mean in pilot

717
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,600
training we had a we had a flight that

718
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,039
was really close

719
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,880
um

720
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,240
so you know just like you know still

721
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,679
it's nice of life right you got your

722
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:32,640
alpha

723
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,919
rather follow you you know hey this

724
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,280
guy's gonna go to this bar and

725
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,640
everybody's gonna follow him right on

726
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,760
saturday night and we're all gonna have

727
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,320
a great time we all just kind of fit

728
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,919
fit within it otherwise

729
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,360
i guess you gotta get thrown out right

730
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,520
but everybody wants to be part of a team

731
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,279
a tribe something right so everybody

732
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,799
just falls in

733
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,200
um i would say once we started to

734
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,720
separate right so you had guys that went

735
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,320
t38s you're gonna become fighter pilots

736
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,480
bomber pilots i went to c12s because i

737
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,120
want to be in special operations and you

738
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,320
know our top stick or maybe the second

739
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,960
guy or whatever he wanted kc10s

740
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,320
you know it's like why do you want to do

741
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,640
that but that's what he wanted right

742
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,400
and then as we and you know then i had

743
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,919
some marines in my class too you know

744
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,760
became like gober pilots and different

745
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,880
things

746
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,320
sometimes when you run into these guys

747
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,000
two three four years later

748
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,320
those new tribes are part of

749
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,480
they they've changed right

750
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,880
you know the f-15 guy the strike eagle

751
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,640
guy you know he's a meat eater and he's

752
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,960
he's different than than the c5 guy

753
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,960
definitely even though maybe two years

754
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,200
ago you're in the same class you know

755
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,360
but but that's that's normal and natural

756
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,520
um sure i don't think anybody really

757
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,200
runs over each other i mean i think

758
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,640
those people are found out pretty quick

759
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,159
if they're just out for themselves so

760
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,600
it's pretty i had a pretty good positive

761
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,360
uh environment of people trying to help

762
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,440
each other and i would say you know a

763
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,520
few guys once in a while be like hey you

764
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,960
know this guy's doing really well hey

765
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,039
what do you want to fly of six teens we

766
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,880
have we had one guys i always ask you

767
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,600
you know um so some guys held held their

768
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,279
cars a little close to their chest but

769
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,480
overall nobody nobody was was was me or

770
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,240
held things back were all really helpful

771
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,919
it was great it was a great environment

772
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,679
maybe not all of them are like that but

773
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,440
then as you start to specialize those

774
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,520
tribes are naturally different i think

775
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:17,200
those cultures are different i think for

776
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:18,559
a reason

777
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,200
so

778
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,919
let me just let nathan know um and i'm

779
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,679
i'm a panelist today so i'm not asking

780
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,279
you guys questions but

781
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,200
uh just so these guys talk about you're

782
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,000
going through t-38s or or what chris

783
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:32,320
what did you fly with the navy

784
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,840
uh t-34s g-34s and then um

785
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,760
so you have that train then you go off

786
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,000
to f-16 school which i think he went to

787
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,480
luke troy went off to kirtland for his

788
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:45,120
specialized training in mc130 so that's

789
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,720
a whole nother

790
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,880
standard of the story right exactly yeah

791
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,960
it's basically a year yeah thank you i'd

792
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,960
go to little rock first to do oh that's

793
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,320
right literally i forgot about that

794
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,159
which is a totally different totally

795
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:59,039
different culture than mc130s hugely

796
00:26:02,789 --> 00:25:59,919
different

797
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,799
yeah yeah yeah i guess total training is

798
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:05,520
was two years for me so i did okay

799
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,400
uh

800
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,320
well plus six months for navy it was

801
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,640
slower so it's two and a half

802
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:12,720
yeah same same with me

803
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,480
yeah i would say um for us it's just so

804
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,679
you kind of mentioned it troy but

805
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,679
there's no time for anything else

806
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,200
you know that that's all you're doing

807
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,039
you know you're there like you said

808
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,679
you're studying sunday morning all the

809
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:27,520
way through you know

810
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,880
friday you know mid afternoon evening

811
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,039
you know you you leave maybe it's seven

812
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,720
eight o'clock on friday night you know

813
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:36,159
that's when you're walking away and it's

814
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,440
been

815
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,000
at least 13 you know 12 hour days uh

816
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,120
minimum so and then you you do it again

817
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,880
and that just continues right you know

818
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:46,080
when i was at the academy you know

819
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:47,440
they're always like well when you get in

820
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,480
the real air force you know it's going

821
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,760
to change or whatever

822
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,919
and it it did but it was like more

823
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,679
hardcore you know it's like

824
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,240
crunching in so it's it's just i would

825
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:58,320
say it's just super pressurized you know

826
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,520
um

827
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,880
at least in the fighter world man it's

828
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,480
just like

829
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:04,720
it's just pressurized so everybody kind

830
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,840
of um you tend to align you're on the

831
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:10,000
same team um

832
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,440
you know if you imagine like whatever

833
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,360
your name name your favorite sports team

834
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,120
it's like those guys you know they're

835
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,679
that's all they eat and breathe that

836
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,520
brand or whatever it is you know

837
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,880
probably

838
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,720
um so i would say for us yeah that you

839
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,320
really get specialized you know you

840
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:26,000
notice really different traits and all

841
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,120
the different

842
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,120
uh you know the fighters and i would

843
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:31,120
rarely interact with any of the cargo

844
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,399
guys ever

845
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,559
you know we barely barely interact with

846
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,480
them we're at different bases you know

847
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:38,000
doing different missions they're in a

848
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,600
different they're they they have a

849
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,720
different whole

850
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:42,080
cycle of where they're moving and

851
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,360
everything so

852
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,520
interesting um yeah i would say i'd say

853
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,960
the same mostly because you guys weren't

854
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,120
weren't awake at night right when it got

855
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:50,799
dark it just there was no flight time

856
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,990
yeah yeah we flew at night so it was a

857
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,679
different thing but what i was gonna say

858
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:00,320
nathan didn't ask me this question but

859
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,000
uh but coming from uh being uh a

860
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,559
maintenance troop which i was going off

861
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,960
to flight engineer school

862
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,120
i could just tell you start to finish it

863
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:13,360
changes your entire life like

864
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:14,080
you

865
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,320
the way that i would speak with

866
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,399
colleagues and maintenance is one thing

867
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,480
and then i get around officers like troy

868
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,960
you you change the way you speak uh

869
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:28,399
everything your whole life changes

870
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:31,760
you're now living in these books and i

871
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,399
had to go through one school

872
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,279
that was just for calculating takeoff

873
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,799
and landing data

874
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,640
of the airplane they want you to learn

875
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,399
can you calculate that you could land

876
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,559
the airplane anywhere under any

877
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,640
conditions and then take off anywhere

878
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,960
and what all the data would be around

879
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,840
cruise climb descend so that when the

880
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,840
pilot turns back can we land on this

881
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,159
dirt strip abc that we've just got a

882
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,880
frag for yes we can or no we can't and

883
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,960
you've got the data to back it up

884
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,799
that school i almost rocked out of you

885
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,399
know special ed's kid

886
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,960
so you know it was very difficult i

887
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,520
failed a test there and my instructor

888
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,679
said i don't think this guy

889
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,240
is cut out to be a flight engineer

890
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,679
and then i got a meeting with the

891
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,840
commander so put my blues on i march in

892
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,080
there and i told him yes sir i have

893
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:22,320
these credentials i know i can do this

894
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,360
and he said you know what you're going

895
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,039
to get a second chance so you're back in

896
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,360
training nice and then uh i got the most

897
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,440
complex fixed-wing airplane

898
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,600
uh tactical airlifter in the air force

899
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:34,080
so i guess i proved him right that's

900
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:35,200
awesome

901
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,080
well i mean but what a great

902
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,760
illustration right like dj what you just

903
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,919
said is is this echoing what these guys

904
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,360
have said and that's that you know

905
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:43,919
putting in the work and and going after

906
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,480
it is more important probably the most

907
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,320
important factor than just sort of

908
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,640
natural ability and i think maybe a lot

909
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,240
of folks have this conception that like

910
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,080
i just need to be a certain type of

911
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,960
person to begin with to do whatever it

912
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,360
is but it really is putting in those

913
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,600
steps one after the other to accomplish

914
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,520
that ultimate goal

915
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,200
yeah and i went to flight school that

916
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,360
was i needed to pass that school to go

917
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,679
to flight school little rock where troy

918
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,520
also would have been uh he was there a

919
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,799
little after me

920
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,600
um but uh i had no problems in the

921
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:17,840
flying part i mean i went through there

922
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,720
like

923
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:19,919
you know i don't know that i was

924
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,640
outstanding but i never i had no issues

925
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,919
getting through flight school and then i

926
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,080
was just flying at little rock probably

927
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:28,320
when troy came through there so

928
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:29,360
nice

929
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,720
hey can i say hi to rob rob

930
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,480
how's it going rob we'll get a comment

931
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,279
up there from rob yeah there we go

932
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,440
good to see you

933
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:41,120
um so

934
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,640
it sounds like you go through so you go

935
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,760
through this general training then you

936
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,960
start kind of splitting off into

937
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,200
specialized training um and the

938
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,279
specialization it's not like you start

939
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,600
from sort of ground zero like you you're

940
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,440
building off of what you've already uh

941
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,559
learned but you're adapting to sort of

942
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:58,799
new approaches to flying or new skill

943
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,399
sets with flying or you know kind of

944
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,240
there's the basics right and then

945
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:05,760
there's the peripheral things that get

946
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,799
stacked onto that basic foundation um

947
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,320
when it comes to

948
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,760
uh chris like your experience as a

949
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,000
fighter pilot and troy with the with the

950
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:16,559
130s and what and the special operations

951
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,159
flying like how much additional um how

952
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,440
many additional layers are kind of

953
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,200
stacked onto that overall knowledge you

954
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,039
know but by the time you become a

955
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,039
trusted person that they can send out to

956
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:29,200
do x y z

957
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,279
trust it trusted yeah i guess officially

958
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:35,279
would be when you're a

959
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,880
uh mission qualified wingman right so

960
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,559
you get out into the

961
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,240
into the air force so like we mentioned

962
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,240
about two years for training so i went

963
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,559
to navy training for for six months for

964
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,880
the t-34 that's like your basic

965
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:50,320
you know it's just a single propeller

966
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,200
plane

967
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,559
you know here's how you land here's how

968
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,960
you take off some basic formation

969
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:56,960
uh and then that's where we split troy

970
00:32:02,470 --> 00:31:59,840
went to he went the the cargo route uh

971
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:02,480
which is the c-20 what is it what was it

972
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,080
t-44 t-44s and c-12

973
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,320
okay yeah so well he they were learning

974
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,080
that as a crew aircraft right so they're

975
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,480
learning co-pilot pilot uh

976
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,559
different it's different um procedures

977
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,559
and everything bigger plane right so

978
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,840
it's

979
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,080
many ways more difficult to land so then

980
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,000
i went t38s like you mentioned and

981
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,399
that's that plane model i keep using uh

982
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:26,480
i'll just grab it right over here uh in

983
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,679
a second sorry of course right

984
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,279
yeah yeah yeah

985
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,880
i got it right here i can't believe i

986
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:34,000
headed over there i'm gonna fight our

987
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,679
guys for that this bank's on screen

988
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,880
there it is yep

989
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,720
this is my best this is my only trophy

990
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,480
actually i keep actually i think that's

991
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,320
when i beat because i beat raja that's

992
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,480
why because he's like

993
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,919
because he's an astronaut i'm like

994
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,320
bragging rights yep yeah he won ever he

995
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,600
was dg

996
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:52,080
distinguished graduate of everything mit

997
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,360
but he didn't win this award he didn't

998
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:55,519
win

999
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,720
but that's so t-38 and then uh it's it's

1000
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,720
single seat right the guy you know in

1001
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,480
the front and then there's like

1002
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,240
this guy in the back just breathing on

1003
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:06,559
you you know you just hear him breathing

1004
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,279
smells bad

1005
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,519
and then from there based on your

1006
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,279
what you you know how well you do your

1007
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,960
rank and then like troy was saying hey

1008
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,200
do you know do you want f-16s

1009
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,880
how many spots they have they match you

1010
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,399
to a spot and then

1011
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:23,120
um so from there it's probably another

1012
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,799
then you have to you just know how to

1013
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,320
basically fly but you don't know you

1014
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,760
don't know how to fight

1015
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,480
yeah uh and and and

1016
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:32,000
so that's what fighters have to learn if

1017
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,039
you got the fighter route you have to

1018
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,200
learn how to actually fight

1019
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,799
and then troy he has to learn for how to

1020
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,480
do like tactical infills and do all

1021
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,519
these crazy you know night uh low-level

1022
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,279
flights or whatever crazy stuff they do

1023
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,960
i don't even know about so

1024
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,120
totally different mission sets

1025
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,159
but you you know safe i guess

1026
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,760
i guess

1027
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,519
you know uh

1028
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,120
and then it gets to you know a fully

1029
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,960
qualified instructor i think is your is

1030
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:58,960
your best you know your weapon school

1031
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:02,080
graduate is your absolute top of the top

1032
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,200
you know they're you're gonna be your

1033
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,440
most um competent most proficient they

1034
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,039
have the most hours

1035
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,040
um but there's very few of them and then

1036
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,040
it goes to your instructors but that's

1037
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,200
you know five ten years down the road

1038
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:14,639
wow okay

1039
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,520
sorry

1040
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,520
got it too long

1041
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:20,079
yeah i know i i tell you what like i

1042
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,440
think about all the all the different

1043
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,359
stages right and you know you start to

1044
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,800
feel pretty good you get your wings and

1045
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,720
then you go to little rock and you know

1046
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:29,119
nothing about a c-130 at all right and

1047
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,079
you're

1048
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,599
again you get through that

1049
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,240
and i go to mcu and 30h school in

1050
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,359
kirtland

1051
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,919
and you know you're excited and you know

1052
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,679
nothing about that mission nothing about

1053
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:43,040
that airplane

1054
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,320
and you know you got to remember too

1055
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,480
this immunity is uh

1056
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,200
they rarely take new co-pilots out of

1057
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,119
pilot training right it's usually

1058
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,119
it's usually a pilot that has been in

1059
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:56,000
the regular c-130 community for

1060
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,119
three four or five years they're

1061
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,560
aircraft commanders at that point not

1062
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,040
co-pilots okay so once a while you get a

1063
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:03,920
young load master a young navigator or a

1064
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,720
young co-pilot right so i have to be one

1065
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,040
of those um

1066
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,280
and what was fun about what was

1067
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,040
different like the shift that occurred

1068
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,599
there was these guys

1069
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,839
wanted you to succeed and they wanted to

1070
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,640
teach you about the talon tradition

1071
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,800
which started in north vietnam flying

1072
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,400
missions

1073
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:26,960
and it started in desert 1 in iran in

1074
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,680
1980 landing in the desert there and

1075
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,520
actually some of our instructors were on

1076
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,760
that mission the atlanta and iran so

1077
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,599
when i got there and i

1078
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,200
started realized who i was around and

1079
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,520
the people i'd be working with man i was

1080
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,880
i was in heaven because like this is

1081
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,160
where i want to be

1082
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,680
um i know i just need to figure out how

1083
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,440
to fly this this plane

1084
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,200
uh but there's so many

1085
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,960
so many requirements right dj that we

1086
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,000
did that

1087
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,240
um when do you feel good about it i i

1088
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,599
don't know i'll tell you up to the day i

1089
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,680
retired

1090
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,599
i mean honestly like i spent i did a

1091
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,560
60-day tdy i i left okinawa i went to

1092
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,400
florida where schoolhouses at you know

1093
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,560
i'm an instructor pilot i was a former

1094
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:06,079
evaluator pilot

1095
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,119
um

1096
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,359
20 years in this plane essentially and

1097
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,280
in the hotel room i'm like okay tomorrow

1098
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,440
i got to refuel some cb22s and i got to

1099
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,119
go hit a tanker and the weather looks

1100
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,040
like crap but i got to do mvg low level

1101
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,960
with this student and i'm looking at you

1102
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,880
know farp i'm like okay i haven't done

1103
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,599
forward air refueling in a long time and

1104
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,440
i'm in the checklists

1105
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,280
and i'm in the the vault three i'm in

1106
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,280
our regs being like ah

1107
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,960
all right here's here's the point here's

1108
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,880
this i'm in early setting up the briefs

1109
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,640
and i've got students with me too right

1110
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,839
so i've got to be in my game a little

1111
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,920
bit more than normal so

1112
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,119
that's what i loved about the blaine in

1113
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:41,119
the mission set was

1114
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,920
you know you don't know if you're gonna

1115
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,440
land on a grass strip you don't know if

1116
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,079
you're gonna land uh on a taxiway you

1117
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,599
know tomorrow the mission might call for

1118
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,480
that and there's nothing better

1119
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,560
than running out your plane not be able

1120
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,320
to do some of your normal duties but

1121
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,839
just getting the c crank engines and the

1122
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,760
load master looks at you and he says hey

1123
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,400
we're good back here don't even worry

1124
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,240
you look at dj he's like the plane's

1125
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,599
good you're good

1126
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,760
and we can land at this place like this

1127
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,400
like the plane is and you crank and you

1128
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,760
go and you look at your watch you're

1129
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,000
like holy crap man that was fast we got

1130
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,160
off fast didn't we oh yeah we did

1131
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,000
and you're going and you just look at

1132
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:17,760
your buds and you're like

1133
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,079
man if we weren't all good at what we do

1134
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,920
and had the utmost faith and everybody

1135
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,839
else are doing their job and not need to

1136
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,920
get be backed up all the time we

1137
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,440
wouldn't be as quick as we would be we

1138
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,880
wouldn't be as dynamic as we would be

1139
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,960
and we would solve problems because some

1140
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,560
of these users man they want you to haul

1141
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,040
some crazy stuff some heavy stuff

1142
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,960
um or

1143
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,400
maybe something that the regulations

1144
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:40,079
really they don't say you can't do it

1145
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,119
per se

1146
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,880
but our masters are engineers man

1147
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,000
they'll figure out how to put that on

1148
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,680
there i mean i remember we had in the

1149
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,440
back of the plane one time

1150
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:48,480
we had

1151
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:52,240
much crap back there

1152
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,440
we're going down to columbia because we

1153
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,520
had hostages down there and i just i was

1154
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,520
looking around as a co-pilot just like

1155
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,240
this is awesome man this is awesome

1156
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,240
you know yeah i originally wanted to fly

1157
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,960
c130s actually uh

1158
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,560
and then i had this simulator instructor

1159
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,480
he was an old marine like he said and he

1160
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,520
was like

1161
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,119
why the hell you want to fly those slow

1162
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,520
ass planes you know like it's like you

1163
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:15,359
want to fly fast and blow [\h__\h] up and i

1164
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,720
was like yeah four miles a minute

1165
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,800
yeah i tell you what though my first dj

1166
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,880
you were on this flight with me dj

1167
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,680
uh

1168
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,839
so at kirtland right mc-130s we get

1169
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,040
through the instrument qual phase right

1170
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,040
so that's basically hey can i fly an

1171
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,280
airplane in israel weather and that's

1172
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,599
probably right the basic building block

1173
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,200
you need and then you get into the

1174
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,880
tactical stuff

1175
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:39,760
and uh i'm a new co-pilot i barely have

1176
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,880
any hours in the c-130 and that night we

1177
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,160
were

1178
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:46,880
in weather train following at 250 feet i

1179
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:50,000
got a ridgeline off my right wing about

1180
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:55,030
and you're just you're just entering

1181
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:56,960
into this ridge line and then later on

1182
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,839
in the sortie we threat pin at 100 feet

1183
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,119
right

1184
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,560
over that spot i'm just sitting there

1185
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,480
actually flying it because in this plane

1186
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,800
the co-pilot flew as much as a pilot and

1187
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,079
i'm like i can't believe they let me do

1188
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,760
this like i have no idea what i'm doing

1189
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,560
like on anybody i know what a viewer

1190
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,160
you're using mvgs or you have a radar

1191
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,880
so for the threat pen it's all visual

1192
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,280
you've got an ids you got that the fleer

1193
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,560
that helps you

1194
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,040
you do have a forward-looking ir yeah

1195
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,280
yeah but it's it's mostly mostly visual

1196
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,720
unless it's just so damn dark you can't

1197
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,320
see a horizon you shouldn't be doing it

1198
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,000
anyways but when you do that ids gives

1199
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,320
you a nice picture right so

1200
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,760
but you're flying using night vision

1201
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,280
goggles you know so

1202
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,599
you flew on that a lot mvgs

1203
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:40,560
yeah

1204
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,480
test i did anyways even if i zoom

1205
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,160
instrument approach someplace i had my

1206
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,160
mvgs on my head because

1207
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,720
hey whatever gave me the better picture

1208
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,960
you know hell with the rules whatever

1209
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,640
gave me the best picture is what i would

1210
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,040
use did you guys have a heads-up display

1211
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,880
did you ever get one of those no the j

1212
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,280
the mc-130j does

1213
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,440
yeah it's got some nice toys and a heck

1214
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,200
of a lot more power

1215
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,200
but the [\h__\h] the fun part though is

1216
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,599
really being on the radar that was when

1217
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,680
so chris would be unfamiliar but there's

1218
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,119
five people in the flight deck so

1219
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,359
there's electronic warfare officer

1220
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,280
sitting on the bulkhead to the rear

1221
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,160
there's a navigator to his or her left

1222
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,400
and they're both navigators by trade but

1223
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,560
one gets all the ewo beep and squeak

1224
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,319
training that you're familiar with from

1225
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,160
your training as well and then you have

1226
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,079
the flight engineer sitting knee to

1227
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,240
elbow with these two guys but when we're

1228
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,119
doing imc on the radar there's nothing

1229
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,640
that did it for me

1230
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,880
more than being imc

1231
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,400
nvgs are no good because all you're

1232
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,560
going to see is is green fuzzy clouds

1233
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:45,200
that's in the clouds yeah imc means uh

1234
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,790
you can't see anything out the

1235
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:52,800
windscreen except white

1236
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,920
and you're down at 250a and you're

1237
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,359
looking at two different radar

1238
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,839
presentations so one of them is going to

1239
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,079
paint the terrain one way and you'll

1240
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,480
know i'm clear if my little aircraft in

1241
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,480
the middle of that screen is here i'm

1242
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,800
good and then the opposite screen your

1243
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,640
either your ground map or your pencil

1244
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,000
ground map will show it like the

1245
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,319
opposite way and at first it sounds

1246
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,400
counterintuitive but it's not and then

1247
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,920
you're like okay i can look on two

1248
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,400
different radars and see that i'm clear

1249
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,920
so the reason the whole thing with the

1250
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,319
five person flight deck is troy was

1251
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,240
trained in flight engineer stuff he

1252
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,480
didn't have to rely a hundred percent on

1253
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:30,480
me because he knew a lot of what my job

1254
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,839
was i knew some of what his job was the

1255
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,920
navigator we both got trained in what

1256
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,599
the navigator's doing we also got

1257
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,680
training with ewo was doing so when

1258
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,440
they're talking to the pilot i

1259
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:43,359
understand all that conversation that's

1260
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,839
going on otherwise you'd be like

1261
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:48,880
yeah lost passenger right now no i'm

1262
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,760
just passenger so you'd be evaluating

1263
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,240
everything that nav is saying to him i'm

1264
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,319
and i was particularly adept at that at

1265
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,839
the nav portion at low level nvg and

1266
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,240
imctf those are my favorite things in

1267
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,839
all the talent world

1268
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,079
um so i was very intently listening on

1269
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,400
what they were saying just in case he

1270
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,480
comes back and says

1271
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,319
he he he didn't quite understand what

1272
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,040
the nav said so i might clarify

1273
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:17,520
and say nav you said x right yeah okay

1274
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,400
roger

1275
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,119
and then it's it's deadly silent

1276
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,960
until the next turn point and then we go

1277
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,880
through that process again yeah right dj

1278
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,160
that's a really good explanation right

1279
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,760
then our whole purpose in life right is

1280
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,520
to get the load masters

1281
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,200
at the right spot right

1282
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,440
yes the load master is back there with

1283
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,520
the seals or the sm right

1284
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,040
yeah and uh you know you're giving them

1285
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,119
time warnings so the guys can you know

1286
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,280
load up start engines start to take

1287
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,920
straps off so we can land or air drop

1288
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,920
and then get out of there

1289
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,280
and let them do their business right the

1290
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,480
whole you know

1291
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,640
it's so much fun that that whole crew

1292
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,800
fly in but the end of the day it's like

1293
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,480
and if these masters

1294
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:56,400
if we don't put them exactly where they

1295
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,760
need to be like what the hell was the

1296
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:59,359
whole point of doing five hours a low

1297
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,240
level

1298
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,400
you know in enemy territory

1299
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,800
on a piece of sandy blacktop

1300
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,040
in the middle of iraq five four three

1301
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:09,280
two one cleared off load yeah you gotta

1302
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,079
man

1303
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,000
you're stopped on the runway the ramp is

1304
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,079
about two inches above the deck throw

1305
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,839
the ramp down they go driving off and

1306
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,839
whatever the hell kind of four-wheel or

1307
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,160
two-wheel vehicle and then clear the

1308
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,800
taxi and it's bruh

1309
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:24,000
and you're gone

1310
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,280
yeah and

1311
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,599
all the work it took hours and hours of

1312
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,079
prep than the night before if you wanted

1313
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,240
to do it well right to end and to reduce

1314
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,040
the risk and to reduce the risk

1315
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,520
to us was a lot of prep and you figuring

1316
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,000
out all the all the landing data in case

1317
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,960
we had to abort an infill or we picked

1318
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,480
up stuff there that was heavier than we

1319
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,160
thought because we got to know if we

1320
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,920
could land and take off and sometimes

1321
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,920
you gotta you gotta know hey i can't

1322
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:51,680
accept this from you it's too heavy

1323
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:52,480
right

1324
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,599
or we're all going to hit that ridge

1325
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,079
line together congratulations right

1326
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,680
and then uh you know sometimes you get

1327
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:59,119
woke up and you've got no time to

1328
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,240
prepare

1329
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,319
but because you do it all the time you

1330
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,720
can play a pickup game sometimes and

1331
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,160
and and hopefully

1332
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,800
fight safe right so took a lot of

1333
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:10,160
training a lot of planning and that's

1334
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,200
what i loved about that's why i never

1335
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,440
left the air force early to fly

1336
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,880
for the airlines or do anything else

1337
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,040
because i was like i'm not a c5 guy

1338
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:18,800
nothing nothing against c5 guys but i do

1339
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,599
that now in the airbus right like it's

1340
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:23,440
it's great but right now it's a paycheck

1341
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,319
man

1342
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,640
before then in the air force it was it

1343
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,960
was a lifestyle and a culture and a

1344
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,800
brotherhood that is just

1345
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:32,319
it was unbelievable

1346
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,520
for me

1347
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,920
yeah no i i love hearing all of y'all's

1348
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,319
stories uh that the depth of technical

1349
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,280
experience that you've explained um for

1350
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,760
me at least is brand new territory you

1351
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,200
know so all of it

1352
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,800
when i come at this is kind of just

1353
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,240
purely from oh that's cool they're

1354
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:50,000
pilots and you know they can fly

1355
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,119
airplanes

1356
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,200
it really ends after that you know so

1357
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,040
but to understand the layers of

1358
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,359
complexity uh and and training and

1359
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,720
learning that you go through to get to

1360
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,400
that point where it looks effortless as

1361
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,240
you said troy is is amazing i want to

1362
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,560
pivot real quickly to uh talking a

1363
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,760
little bit about

1364
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,599
uh when you're up in the air and you're

1365
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,440
you're kind of navigating through that

1366
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,800
that that environment you know so

1367
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:12,079
different than being on land whether

1368
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,200
you're walking or driving or whatever

1369
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:14,720
unless you're familiar with

1370
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,599
you know

1371
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,280
how do you kind of come to train

1372
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,880
yourself to understand what it is that

1373
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:20,640
you're looking at so you're not only

1374
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,359
looking at uh you know sort of i guess

1375
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,359
weather which is in the air and a lot of

1376
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,280
that but you're also looking at other

1377
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,599
objects you're looking at other planes

1378
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,599
uh that are there of different shapes

1379
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,200
and sizes and sometimes you're looking

1380
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,880
at i guess uh

1381
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,240
you know missiles or wet weapons or

1382
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:39,359
whatnot so how do you um

1383
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,640
and maybe that's a good question for you

1384
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,920
to start off with chris like how do you

1385
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,400
get to learn and understand

1386
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,000
and differentiate you know what it is

1387
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,240
that you're seeing in the sky uh after

1388
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,440
you've gone through all this training

1389
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,040
i guess probably the biggest thing is

1390
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,520
we're always talking about um

1391
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,359
sight pictures

1392
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,680
i think it's um what i've seen is it

1393
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,680
like training any other neural network

1394
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,359
is basically

1395
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,640
what we're doing you know you do it

1396
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,319
through simulators you do it through

1397
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,480
chair flying you know that's a huge

1398
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,040
before we had amazing simulators that's

1399
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,720
all we had right was chair flying and we

1400
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:14,240
still do it like troy mentioned a couple

1401
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,280
times like

1402
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,280
um and just to finish your la your last

1403
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,599
question there is i guess i i never felt

1404
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:21,119
comfortable the same thing choice said

1405
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,480
you know when you feel comfortable and i

1406
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,640
was like never you know that'd be your

1407
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,000
life flying

1408
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,960
yeah i was i mean every mission is uh

1409
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,200
yeah i'm studying you know i'm looking

1410
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,640
in the books you know i'm thinking about

1411
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,880
the night before um

1412
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,000
you know you're not you're kind of

1413
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,839
sweating on every i i was at least i

1414
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,280
don't know different

1415
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,119
different environment um but yeah

1416
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,839
there's there's just uh i never felt

1417
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,200
fully comfortable

1418
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,000
um even even at the end um

1419
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,920
so yeah so so anyway um you're always

1420
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,920
studying and it's it's about site

1421
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,920
pictures right so and and because it's

1422
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,599
so different all the

1423
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,599
the the ranges that we're talking about

1424
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,119
are so much further than you're used to

1425
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,960
on the ground just as humans

1426
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,960
and really people do not look up you

1427
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,560
know i know everybody's like i look up

1428
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,880
and i'm like no like i don't look up you

1429
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,560
know most people don't look up uh it's

1430
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,240
just not it's not in our nature you know

1431
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,240
we're just sure you know most all of our

1432
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,160
threats up until recently we're pretty

1433
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,760
much around here you know maybe from a

1434
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,520
hill or something

1435
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,680
so it's all training site pictures um

1436
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,200
that's that's probably your biggest one

1437
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,680
and the best way to do it is real

1438
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,880
right so

1439
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,880
even even on later missions when we're

1440
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,480
going out to if i haven't flown in a

1441
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,359
while um you know i'll re-cage my eyes

1442
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,960
so every day of the environment they'll

1443
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,240
be a little bit different you know so

1444
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,640
like this this will be like you know

1445
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,960
that'll be like 500 feet one day you

1446
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,400
know but then the next day for some

1447
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,559
reason it's like here

1448
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,800
um so you're just constantly worrying

1449
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,640
about it trying to cage your eyeballs

1450
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,839
okay that's

1451
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,599
you know we're always shooting airliners

1452
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,520
you know simulated as the airliner's

1453
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,160
going by i'll lock them up

1454
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:55,839
geez

1455
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,720
said that one more time yeah

1456
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,440
for fun you know i mean uh of course

1457
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,280
yeah with no weapons you know every time

1458
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,119
you just have five minutes

1459
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,640
yeah there's it's never like i guess um

1460
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,319
you see in top gun you know or where

1461
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,440
they're just like all right man i'm

1462
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,119
gonna be super tough and just win this

1463
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,720
you know it's uh

1464
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,000
it's it's like

1465
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,119
hours and months of just studying before

1466
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,520
uh and and then being in the right spot

1467
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:23,280
to not [\h__\h] it up you know basically i

1468
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,319
guess that's

1469
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:26,400
um that's how i put it so

1470
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,200
yeah

1471
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,280
sight pictures the best is uh visually

1472
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,280
doing it for real when we can't do that

1473
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,119
then we do it in a simulator

1474
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,800
right so you try and do that we we had a

1475
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,640
program where we were actually

1476
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,240
recording flights and then playing them

1477
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,839
back in a simulator for guys that was

1478
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,200
one way to teach

1479
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,960
uh these site pictures and then finally

1480
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,160
it's just chair flying you know you just

1481
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,160
imagine like what what would it look

1482
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,640
like what's the pacing um so i guess

1483
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:51,040
that's a long roundabout answer normally

1484
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,760
no

1485
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,680
answer that's great

1486
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,599
no thank you troy what about from your

1487
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,760
perspective on that yeah

1488
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,640
you know

1489
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,319
i can't imagine of flying at those

1490
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:01,920
speeds those altitudes i guess i kind of

1491
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,240
do now but i've got no threats i've got

1492
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,400
no mission other than the ils approach

1493
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:09,200
to indianapolis and then my sandwich

1494
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:10,640
right but

1495
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,119
i think for me right my threats were eye

1496
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:15,839
level and below right terrain

1497
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,390
you know flying with instructors

1498
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,240
asking questions hey what do you think

1499
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,400
this looks like you know am i at 500

1500
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,720
feet here you know uh

1501
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,400
no you're at a thousand feet

1502
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,559
um okay look at you you've got other

1503
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,040
devices on the plane right to tell me

1504
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,960
hey you're at a thousand feet you're at

1505
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,960
500 feet you're too low there might be

1506
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,559
some warnings that go off if you're too

1507
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,359
low so you use that to gauge your

1508
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,359
you know your your low level distance

1509
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:45,280
off the ground right are those kinds of

1510
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,240
things

1511
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,760
um but i'll tell you like weather

1512
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,680
conditions make that more difficult and

1513
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,040
chris knows that as well right if it's

1514
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,880
uh hazy outside if you only have three

1515
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,240
miles of biz

1516
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,920
you tend to fly higher because you're

1517
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,440
like i don't be too close to the terrain

1518
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,520
but actually you want to get lower so

1519
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,359
the train is it's got some more detail

1520
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,760
to it so you can you can see it and then

1521
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,680
you can see the hidden stuff that's

1522
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,839
coming i know you're doing this at night

1523
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,359
without a moon

1524
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,440
and now you really can't see you can get

1525
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,040
hidden ridge lines and things like this

1526
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,880
as well right but i've got

1527
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,200
a lot of good electronic devices to help

1528
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,960
me see that picture it might be a radar

1529
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,640
that i have to learn how to interpret

1530
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,640
into uh kind of a three-dimensional

1531
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:25,200
picture right i got a navigator who's a

1532
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,559
hell of a lot better looking at a radar

1533
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,880
than i am so he's helping me i've got a

1534
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,280
flight engineer who's on nvgs as well

1535
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,119
you know and then i'm communicating to

1536
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,680
the crew right if i'm flying saying

1537
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,720
hey give me that give me the highest

1538
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,119
piece of train hey it's at six miles two

1539
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,520
o'clock okay i'm not visual with that

1540
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,720
all right maybe we need to climb a

1541
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,760
little bit

1542
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:46,160
or or maybe i don't have to yet then i'm

1543
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,599
gonna let him know and i've got that in

1544
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,240
sight sorry what's the next one hey

1545
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:52,240
uh your dj might speak up hey man i see

1546
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,280
i see a ridgeline it looks like it's

1547
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:55,440
about two miles yeah yeah i got that

1548
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,720
okay so it's a it's a big crew

1549
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,240
uh it's a big crew thing you know all of

1550
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,839
us are looking at our different devices

1551
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,839
trying to pick up that terrain

1552
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,960
and uh

1553
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,040
and see that i had no threats from the

1554
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,800
air that i was too worried about right

1555
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,960
like i hope a guy like chris from

1556
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,480
afghanistan you know who's in that

1557
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,559
afghani or taliban air force really

1558
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,240
doesn't look for me i think chris

1559
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,440
probably would have shot him down before

1560
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,520
he got airborne anyways but that wasn't

1561
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,880
as big of a threat to it so i didn't

1562
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,520
really have to id too much

1563
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,200
about you know miles out in the distance

1564
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,960
a tanker once you look for missiles i

1565
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:28,880
guess how did how did you guys look for

1566
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,599
uh missile launches or i had an eo with

1567
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,200
with a suite right

1568
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:35,280
um if i ever got into a visual fight

1569
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,480
with you guys

1570
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,240
sure we're we're outside a lot more but

1571
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,680
the load masters

1572
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,280
are scanned a lot more the number two is

1573
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,200
gonna sneak up buddy anyways right

1574
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,559
oh and i'm in the middle of the day with

1575
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,319
all my stuff on over the water so it's

1576
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:48,000
pretty easy for you to find me anyway so

1577
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:49,520
we didn't take that too seriously

1578
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,240
besides just having fun with it but uh

1579
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:54,000
you know maybe a tanker helicopter is

1580
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,280
hard as heck to find especially the

1581
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:57,119
little ones right dj

1582
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,240
when they're

1583
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,359
they're against a dark maybe built up

1584
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,960
area and they've got one light on or

1585
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,240
something like that they're really hard

1586
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,680
to see so again it's electronically

1587
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,280
you're finding these

1588
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,359
these these things right uh picking out

1589
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,440
a touchdown zone is really important

1590
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:13,040
otherwise

1591
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:14,000
who knows where you're gonna land on

1592
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,359
that lz or you might have the wrong spot

1593
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,680
picked out right i know the nav is is

1594
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:19,200
doing his level best to get me exactly

1595
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,559
where i want to be but i still have to

1596
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:22,960
be visual at the touchdown point

1597
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,359
if you're talking to dirt on dirt runway

1598
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,760
sometimes you don't see that until

1599
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,000
very close right i mean

1600
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,680
very close before you see you might see

1601
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,680
it on the ids on the fleer you might see

1602
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,680
it really good so you know

1603
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,359
man my flight path vector i'm going

1604
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,599
right at it but visually

1605
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:41,280
right that's something i did as a pilot

1606
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,160
saying

1607
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,480
i've got like i positively told the crew

1608
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:47,359
i've got the zone in sight so so they

1609
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,319
knew

1610
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,760
okay

1611
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,520
and so what's the craziest

1612
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:53,280
what's the craziest field you've landed

1613
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,240
on or

1614
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,920
what was the craziest landing experience

1615
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,920
because c130s that's your craz they do

1616
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,559
crazy stuff i i was an exchange pilot

1617
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,880
with the royal air force in there what

1618
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,640
they called their special forces flight

1619
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,680
and so

1620
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,440
our regs were way different than the us

1621
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:09,599
air forces so i've landed on some really

1622
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:12,960
narrow stuff 40 foot wide their dj

1623
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,760
and then uh it's always the sf guys tuck

1624
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,160
these things into a ridgeline that just

1625
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,520
you know it's got all these turbies at

1626
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,000
about 100 feet i hated going in there

1627
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,319
um because you'd pick up a big tailwind

1628
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,760
or you'd kind of balloon right at the

1629
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:28,079
last minute it was really narrow and

1630
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,520
then it's uh

1631
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,720
usually middle of the day too i don't

1632
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,640
know why we always did that right so

1633
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,559
they've got to close the highway down so

1634
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,640
it's just and then

1635
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:38,240
if i landed a certain direction i

1636
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,520
couldn't turn around it was too nervous

1637
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,680
i had to reverse i know my engines are

1638
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,440
heating up and i'm just i got this huge

1639
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,040
dust cloud in this huge make that right

1640
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,040
for borders or something i

1641
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,400
and i'm not a good pilot right i don't

1642
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:50,400
have great hands like like you said

1643
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:51,920
there's a mid standard right i could do

1644
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,040
all the stuff and do it safely um it was

1645
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,880
just a challenge man i worry about going

1646
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,720
into that spot

1647
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,920
um yeah

1648
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,359
i could tell you like for us with the

1649
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,440
way we mitigate is uh i'd be like what

1650
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,359
they call a high rider with the nvgs

1651
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,520
what chris was asking so i'd ride with

1652
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,920
my nvgs really high so i could just tilt

1653
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,079
my head i could see the train i could

1654
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,319
look down see the radar

1655
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,079
see all the radar displays because they

1656
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:18,000
they these guys the pilots each had two

1657
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,040
displays

1658
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,200
and one would have one radar up and an

1659
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,720
adi and the other one would have the

1660
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,200
other radar up and the adi and then i

1661
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,040
could have the stick map underneath

1662
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,040
underneath that radar and all that right

1663
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,720
so what i would do is i'd scan the

1664
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,400
terrain if i'm not getting anything good

1665
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,559
i'm down looking at the radar picking

1666
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,079
out which one's giving me the net the

1667
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,480
best picture listening to what those two

1668
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,480
are saying and then come back take a

1669
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,960
look but i could do it all without

1670
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,839
moving the mvg just by tilting my head i

1671
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,079
could see through and then i could also

1672
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,599
stay in touch with everything that was

1673
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,119
going on in the panel then every now and

1674
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,760
again make sure the fuels are balanced

1675
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,599
and uh stuff like and i also talked

1676
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,599
about stu i was one of these guys we

1677
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,559
could be at the btd we could be on a

1678
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,000
mission somewhere where we're gonna go

1679
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,160
do train wherever the nicest place in

1680
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,040
the world i'd i bring all my my toll dad

1681
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,880
and materials back to the hotel and

1682
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,640
before i even went anywhere i was

1683
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,799
calculating the next day okay it's going

1684
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,280
to be about this hot uh we're going to

1685
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,480
expecting

1686
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:18,319
uh it will be about this heavy but i got

1687
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,680
to go 10 000 up and a few thousand down

1688
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,520
from that 5 000 down and i'm going to

1689
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:25,839
make sure i got data for no matter what

1690
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,960
comes up tomorrow when i step i'm ready

1691
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,720
i i might change it when i get to the

1692
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,720
airplane based on current conditions but

1693
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,119
i've got at least something working that

1694
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,200
if we have to push the aircraft i got

1695
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,359
something and then i could just adjust

1696
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,680
and [\h__\h] when you land on real like some

1697
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:42,960
of these places out in the middle of the

1698
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,680
desert well okay what's the real time

1699
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,599
data there i have no weather reporting

1700
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,520
unless there's combat controller giving

1701
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,680
it to me i don't know what to what the

1702
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,760
temp so what i would do is i'd wait till

1703
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,079
we're about 100 feet off the deck i'd

1704
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,880
take i'd get the pressure altitude off

1705
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,880
the screen that they had and the

1706
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,200
temperature before the airplane stops in

1707
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,119
the real calculate total

1708
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,359
yeah and i'd be like okay i'm good i

1709
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,000
know my temp and my pa right now

1710
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,079
and and i'm good just in case what i

1711
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,319
calculated was wrong and we're gonna

1712
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,160
have to get that close or we're not

1713
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,920
gonna make the end of the runway and

1714
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,200
that'll happen if you're taking off

1715
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,280
somewhere like seven thou you know you

1716
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,680
went to bogger imagine like places like

1717
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:26,319
over 7000 feet there you could get in in

1718
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:27,760
a big hurry especially if there's a

1719
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,400
slope and all that stuff so that's why

1720
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,480
we need eight thousand feet to land

1721
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,520
eight thousand feet long runway

1722
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:37,599
oh wow yeah we do have to be like

1723
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,960
perfectly straight

1724
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,880
pristine

1725
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:44,720
and typically what would happen chris

1726
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:47,119
with the c-130 guys is when we would get

1727
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,799
in a c-130 guy and troy will tell you

1728
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,880
this we'd put him in the aircraft we'd

1729
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,040
get them on the tf radar we'd get down

1730
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,440
to a thousand feet we go okay so that's

1731
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,680
kind of their normal low-level altitude

1732
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,040
and we'll be like okay we're going to

1733
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,839
set 500 as our set clearance plane so

1734
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,440
they'd come down and they might get a

1735
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,079
little shaky then when we set 250 they'd

1736
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,799
be riding high they'd be up near 400 and

1737
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,720
the queues and be like get on the queue

1738
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,520
like push push down get down on remember

1739
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,720
that choice 250 you're talking 250 agl

1740
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,400
right above the ground 58 but yeah

1741
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:20,000
you're just following

1742
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,440
you just put your flight pad vector

1743
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:23,839
inside uh another circle right so it's

1744
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,839
like a video game so usually i kept my

1745
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,760
mvg's down it could be distracting if

1746
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,359
the if you're going in and out of the

1747
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,119
weather i usually just kind of sat down

1748
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,640
a little bit lower my seat just played

1749
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:35,200
video game and just pretended like

1750
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:40,870
fine in the crowds man fine don't don't

1751
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,280
show it don't show you're weak just stay

1752
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,359
on that truck but troy did you remember

1753
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:47,040
guys coming in on slicks that we didn't

1754
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,559
want to get on the queue they kept would

1755
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,839
riding high on the queue and the

1756
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,040
instructor would tell them get on the

1757
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,960
queue i remember that

1758
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,200
yeah i mean like chris said you did do i

1759
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,200
mean like my last assignment there when

1760
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,359
i was flying i mean even i had trouble

1761
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,720
sometimes

1762
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,240
you know where it's like

1763
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,079
man you just see you're in the weather

1764
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,680
and you feel like you're going too fast

1765
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:07,119
because of the noise the plane is making

1766
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,480
it you're not

1767
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:10,240
and you just

1768
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,599
you know you just don't want to push

1769
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,960
over like maybe used to when you're

1770
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,640
younger you know like

1771
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:15,520
like

1772
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,040
these skills are perishable

1773
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:21,119
right so you have to practice and i'm

1774
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,640
sure i'm sure

1775
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:24,400
you know like there are some

1776
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,599
months or after deployment you're just

1777
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,720
like man i've got this thing licked like

1778
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:30,400
checklists like everything like we're

1779
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,359
just so

1780
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,920
bonded and you just buy so much and then

1781
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:35,760
you get two weeks off or maybe you go to

1782
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,079
sos right or something and now you just

1783
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,920
are just like oh gosh like

1784
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,119
i haven't been in the books because i've

1785
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,640
been doing other things and i'm not

1786
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:44,559
proficient at all right but that's what

1787
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,680
instructors are for and and crew and

1788
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,400
simulators and hey another thing just i

1789
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,599
thought of as well when you're talking

1790
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,160
like visual acuity and stuff we had nvg

1791
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,599
i don't know if you ever use these chris

1792
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,920
uh mvg like a train

1793
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,440
uh mat

1794
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,599
where they could change the moon yeah

1795
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:03,040
they could give you different uh you go

1796
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,480
to so you go into a dark room with a

1797
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,319
train map right yeah you know it would

1798
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,079
have power lines on it and a lot of

1799
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,839
different things they could change

1800
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:11,200
uh

1801
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,799
the percentage of the moon illumination

1802
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,960
basically to show you yeah this is how

1803
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:16,880
ridgeline can get hidden and you could

1804
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,599
be

1805
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:19,040
thinking you're clear of the one out at

1806
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,559
five miles but there's one at two or

1807
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,559
three that that you're going to hit

1808
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:24,559
right so they show you these things as

1809
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,440
well

1810
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:27,280
of how these illusions and things can

1811
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:28,400
work

1812
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,680
fascinating

1813
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:31,839
that's awesome um well if you guys don't

1814
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,160
mind i mean after hearing all that stuff

1815
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,839
i think it's incredible and i'd like to

1816
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,319
pivot again to uh looking at some actual

1817
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,240
videos and getting your thoughts on on

1818
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,319
some of this stuff so uh for some most

1819
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,920
of you except for you troy's apologies

1820
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,440
in advance this will be new to you but

1821
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,440
uh you know these are some cool videos

1822
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,920
that uh that show interesting things and

1823
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,160
just want to get some takes on it so

1824
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,000
um the first one that i'm gonna put up

1825
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:56,240
on screen here let me get that ready to

1826
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:56,960
go

1827
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,839
is a

1828
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:00,400
uh

1829
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:03,760
is a video that was shot by

1830
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,319
uh some photographers essentially

1831
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,599
and um

1832
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:09,839
and these guys were doing some drone

1833
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:13,119
photography in beaver utah uh this was

1834
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,359
in january of 2019 uh and they were

1835
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,520
really just out shooting some landscapes

1836
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,200
basically and then when they got back

1837
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,480
and processed their uh their video their

1838
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,640
raw video uh they saw something that was

1839
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,319
pretty strange so what i'm gonna do is

1840
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,559
put that on screen and uh and we'll do

1841
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,000
the audio a little bit and we probably

1842
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,000
won't do the whole uh the whole clip but

1843
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:35,359
we'll do enough of it sure you get a

1844
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,640
sense of like what it what it is that

1845
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:38,319
they were seeing so let me add this to

1846
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,680
the stream

1847
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:41,920
and uh get the sound going here we'll

1848
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,789
and i

1849
01:01:09,109 --> 01:00:48,640
curious what uh speed you guys think

1850
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,510
and we're just like you know me and our

1851
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,520
drone operator basically what we do is

1852
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,960
we go out

1853
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:17,359
to find epic landscapes to use this

1854
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,720
bureau in the film and so we

1855
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,480
uh

1856
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,000
put up the drone

1857
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:26,400
you know got some pretty great shots

1858
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:28,400
we're probably like four or five hundred

1859
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,559
feet away from the drone don't hear

1860
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,240
don't see anything

1861
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,280
go back to our hotel room that night

1862
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,040
uh go to dinner

1863
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:39,280
our drone operator

1864
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:40,640
kind of starts scrubbing through the

1865
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:42,400
footage we like just go through the

1866
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:44,000
footage every night just to make sure

1867
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:45,599
that everything

1868
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:48,400
turns out okay and he come he comes up

1869
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:49,280
to

1870
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,760
don't know

1871
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:55,839
what what i just saw but like we

1872
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:59,039
captured some crazy [\h__\h] out there and

1873
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,240
let me stop it right there i think you

1874
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,720
guys saw the clip a few times uh so

1875
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,640
let's get some initial reactions i i

1876
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:06,400
know chris you've got some detail on it

1877
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,960
but i want to come back to you troy

1878
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,640
what's your initial reaction to this

1879
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,960
this video

1880
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,160
you know

1881
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:16,400
my initial reaction because i have never

1882
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:21,039
seen anything personally abnormal

1883
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,480
is well if you want me to

1884
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,000
to think it's something other than

1885
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:28,160
what's explainable or that's not

1886
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,280
doctored

1887
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:34,069
like and i don't really even care but if

1888
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:36,000
you told me like i had to believe i'd be

1889
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,000
like well i need i need somebody to kind

1890
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,000
of break it down for me right explain to

1891
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:42,000
me why this isn't uh you know because

1892
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:43,520
i've watched movies with dinosaurs in

1893
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,480
there and dinosaurs exactly

1894
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:48,640
that's right no that's a great point

1895
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,839
not that i don't not that i don't

1896
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,680
believe but if you told me my life

1897
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:54,000
depended on it then people would have to

1898
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:56,319
help me understand it

1899
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:57,520
absolutely because i definitely saw

1900
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:59,039
something strange right

1901
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,920
right

1902
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:01,760
can we assume it's not doctored i guess

1903
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,720
for the sake you know because um i

1904
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,839
they

1905
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:07,920
has anyone actually analyzed it to show

1906
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,480
that it isn't doctored from all that

1907
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:12,319
i've heard about this particular clip

1908
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,920
and it wasn't uh they posted the raw

1909
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:17,839
video footage which is the raw as a

1910
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,480
format it's a it's a video format uh

1911
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:23,039
that they took uh from that day so you

1912
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,640
know according to them and others that

1913
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:26,240
have looked at it more closely there's

1914
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:28,960
there's no evidence of of doctoring that

1915
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,440
i'm aware of

1916
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,599
yeah so we guess we can assume it's

1917
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:35,839
we'll just assume it's not doctor troy i

1918
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,839
i think it was 2016 is that correct i

1919
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,760
think they filmed it in 2016 but they

1920
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:41,520
didn't release it until

1921
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,829
they didn't want to raise from what the

1922
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,760
guy said i think he said he really

1923
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,760
didn't want he didn't know what kind of

1924
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,359
reaction it was going to get he didn't

1925
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,680
want to raise suspicion or get i think

1926
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:57,440
have people from the government contact

1927
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,000
him about it something like that so i'm

1928
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,680
just assuming that

1929
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,359
that the video's genuine just for the

1930
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,440
sake of the discussion and then take it

1931
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,440
from there but i'm not asking anybody to

1932
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,839
believe anything

1933
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,599
i get our last choice how far do you

1934
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:13,920
think that ridge line is can you see it

1935
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,670
where it comes

1936
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,079
i'd say 10 plus miles right

1937
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:22,000
well to the far line but if you zoom in

1938
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:23,440
it's just that first ridge i don't know

1939
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:25,839
if you can control it nathan can you see

1940
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,280
if i can go back to the very beginning

1941
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:29,119
or where it zooms in i think later in

1942
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,640
the video maybe yeah it looks like it

1943
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:31,760
looks like

1944
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,470
yeah right there so that if you look

1945
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,559
troy it goes around that uh yeah right

1946
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:42,720
there at least it comes around that that

1947
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:50,390
so how far away do we think that might

1948
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:51,359
be

1949
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:55,520
finger yeah yeah i

1950
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:58,079
i said it more than one but uh yeah i

1951
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:01,200
think you're right less than three

1952
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:02,000
um

1953
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,400
so if you time it right from when it

1954
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:06,319
basically turns that corner

1955
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,160
it's less than a second until it goes

1956
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,000
out of frame you know so basically turns

1957
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,640
there and goes out of a second

1958
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,799
so you can basically say it's it's going

1959
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,920
at least

1960
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,280
a mile

1961
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:19,359
in a second

1962
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,640
yeah and i think i remember reading

1963
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,640
somewhere that it was about three miles

1964
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:24,240
uh that they when they did the math on

1965
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:25,200
it

1966
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,319
yeah i was trying to find the

1967
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:27,680
coordinates i couldn't find the exact

1968
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,119
quarter but let's say you could find the

1969
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,440
coordinates of that ridge and then you

1970
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:33,520
you just uh go forward but it's at least

1971
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,200
a mile i think

1972
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:37,200
um so i guess the answer would be it's

1973
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,240
going at least a mile a second

1974
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,640
uh so a mile a second

1975
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:43,839
um

1976
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,079
is 60 miles

1977
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:48,559
a minute right

1978
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:53,670
6

1979
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,520
it's fast

1980
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,039
yeah it's mach uh

1981
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:01,599
so 10 miles a minute is mach 1

1982
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,559
so 60 miles a minute is is mach 6

1983
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:05,920
okay

1984
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:08,480
so if it's if it's not doctored

1985
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,640
um and and it looks like it's coming

1986
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,440
from that ridge if if it looks

1987
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,200
like what it is

1988
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:17,839
then it's traveling at least mach 6

1989
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:19,599
and if it were three miles away that

1990
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,559
would be

1991
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,599
three times

1992
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:23,760
multiple okay got it

1993
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,920
yeah but it's not hypersonic but it's

1994
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:27,359
it's damn fast

1995
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,119
well that would be mach 18 that would be

1996
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,359
hypersonic um okay wow i think

1997
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:33,760
hypertonic is five i think hypersonic is

1998
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,599
mach 5 plus but uh

1999
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:37,119
and what what is uh

2000
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:38,240
sorry for my ignorance what is

2001
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:39,920
supersonic or when do you break the when

2002
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,599
do you get a sonic boom what is it so

2003
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,680
it's uh

2004
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,520
yeah it's based on that the pressure and

2005
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:48,000
the temperature the density of the air

2006
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,280
because it's a

2007
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,359
impact wave right

2008
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,359
whatever that i can't remember what

2009
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,200
that's called but anyway um

2010
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:57,359
i looked it up just for this video it's

2011
01:07:04,390 --> 01:06:59,839
basically a thousand feet per second

2012
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,400
at sea level 700 and 750 miles per hour

2013
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,240
but it goes down rapidly

2014
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:07,920
as the temperature and the pressure

2015
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:11,039
decreases so as you go up in altitude

2016
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,960
you know the mach number stays the same

2017
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,880
but your miles per hour will decrease

2018
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,400
rapidly so

2019
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,520
um

2020
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,200
so at this speed would there would there

2021
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:21,680
have been a uh a sonic boom or if it

2022
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,799
were going without it

2023
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,240
yeah yeah so if you go to the model they

2024
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:26,400
said they didn't hear anything sorry

2025
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,359
but yeah

2026
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,079
yeah if you go mach 1.0 um

2027
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,599
as far as we understand it you know

2028
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:33,839
you're pushing the the it's the pressure

2029
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,680
waves build up on each other basically

2030
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:37,119
because you're going as fast as the

2031
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:38,799
sound that you're creating right if

2032
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,200
you're like running and you're yelling

2033
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,880
right but you're going the speed of

2034
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,559
sound the the

2035
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:46,240
the noisy you're making is just gonna

2036
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,839
going to stay in the same spot does that

2037
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:49,359
make sense yeah

2038
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:50,640
so that's that's what's happening with

2039
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,960
the sonic boom is is basically the noise

2040
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:54,240
that you're making

2041
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,920
is is catching up with the noise that

2042
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:57,760
you're making and it and it makes this

2043
01:08:01,829 --> 01:07:59,599
this pressure wave

2044
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,839
uh and so that's right at 1.0 so yeah

2045
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:04,400
anything faster than 10 miles a minute

2046
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,240
it should be should be breaking the

2047
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,480
soundbar okay

2048
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:10,480
and and what did you make of the

2049
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,440
i mean to me it looks like it's doing a

2050
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,359
bank of some kind is that

2051
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,960
how you would interpret that

2052
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:18,799
at the beginning of that when it kind of

2053
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:22,000
first appears in the video

2054
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,440
yeah i guess i saw there was a really

2055
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:25,520
good video done you shared it uh on the

2056
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,719
twitter uh where he talks about um

2057
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,799
parallax error

2058
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,719
uh but basically yeah that video

2059
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,239
explains it right there yeah you see a

2060
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,880
definite turn there's a bank yeah or it

2061
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:38,560
would have yeah if he didn't make that

2062
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,719
it would have gone to the right of the

2063
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,400
the drone

2064
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:44,000
and uh so does that make it seem as if

2065
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:47,600
it's kind of coming down into the valley

2066
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:52,550
that's what it looks like to me

2067
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,149
that's like what fraver described that's

2068
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,640
basically what we're looking at there

2069
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,239
yeah it even normally kind of looks like

2070
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:04,239
a tic tac yes it's going by you know i

2071
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,279
don't know it looks a little not as long

2072
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,679
it's pretty big that's pretty big

2073
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,279
you know it's not yeah i did if can you

2074
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,960
stop it when it's over a tree maybe or

2075
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,640
something i mean okay yeah let me try

2076
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:16,319
that how can you size it if you can

2077
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:23,269
because the big thing troy is it could

2078
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,319
it be a bug but actually in this video

2079
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:28,000
in the actual raw footage a few minutes

2080
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:29,679
before there is a bug and it looks it

2081
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,880
looks totally different like if you look

2082
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,799
uh maybe one more frame can you go one

2083
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:37,199
more let me see what i can do there

2084
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,640
that's that's a beautiful shot right

2085
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:40,480
there now it's out it's out of the frame

2086
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,520
right

2087
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:43,199
yeah it did i thought there was one more

2088
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,640
closer yeah hold on let me see if i can

2089
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:46,719
get it faster

2090
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:53,749
because there's a tree

2091
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:58,709
yeah i mean it depends how much of it is

2092
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,679
like uh yeah

2093
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:03,840
it looks like it so that would be larger

2094
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,960
than i was initially thinking you know

2095
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,120
yeah forever said 40 feet that looks

2096
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:11,360
like i could see where that could be

2097
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,239
at least in that range fuselage

2098
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,800
uh fighter uh fuselage

2099
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,199
uh length maybe

2100
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:21,120
that's what it looks like to me anyway

2101
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,800
yeah when i first watched it i i thought

2102
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:24,960
it was just a ball you know

2103
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:27,040
is what it looks like but it as you slow

2104
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,719
it down and when they zoom in i don't

2105
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,120
know if that's a result of the just the

2106
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:33,520
because it's going so fast that right oh

2107
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,199
it's stretching out it's stretched out

2108
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,040
which doesn't actually make sense but

2109
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,840
anyway yeah well i i appreciate your

2110
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,520
insight on that and and troy i mean to

2111
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:45,600
your point i think that's

2112
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,159
extremely valid right we need more the

2113
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,760
more data we can actually get on

2114
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,000
something like this the more we can

2115
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,920
you know really understand it legitimize

2116
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,840
it but as you said right now it's you

2117
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,719
know it's something that looks

2118
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,920
fantastical but there are a lot of

2119
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,840
fantastical things that we see

2120
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:02,000
uh in video for sure

2121
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:02,800
yeah

2122
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,840
and you know i'm not a physicist or

2123
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,199
anything like that like your astronaut

2124
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,990
like why is it there a sonic boom with

2125
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:13,440
this right and

2126
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,880
you're sure there's technologies or

2127
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:16,320
whatever i mean

2128
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:17,840
is that can that even happen in this

2129
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,350
so again just thinking like just

2130
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,280
strictly down a

2131
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,679
you know physics 101 kind of path it's

2132
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:29,679
hard to imagine right

2133
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:30,560
right

2134
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,760
uh well let's go let's take a look at

2135
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,000
the at the next one if you guys uh want

2136
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:38,239
to get some more of these

2137
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,440
and it shouldn't even matter with the

2138
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,280
size right because the you know a reason

2139
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:43,040
bullets are so loud is because they're

2140
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,560
they're supersonic

2141
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:46,080
or most of them right they don't have to

2142
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:47,520
be supersonic but most bullets are

2143
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,960
supersonic and then they slow down um

2144
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:52,640
and if they slow down too much they they

2145
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:54,880
won't fuse right so you

2146
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:57,440
uh even if a bullet so if even something

2147
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,080
this small goes supersonic

2148
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,920
it will be very loud so it's not just

2149
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,800
the explosion from the from the

2150
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,719
powder that causes all of the sound it

2151
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:09,120
causes a lot of sound but it's this

2152
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,880
bullet going supersonic so every time

2153
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:13,280
you hear shoot a gun you're hearing a uh

2154
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,159
it it's a supersonic wave as well okay

2155
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,280
um so this thing even i actually thought

2156
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:21,199
it was smaller than what we just kind of

2157
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:22,400
looked at

2158
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,640
but even if it was small it should have

2159
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:26,400
sounded like a bullet flying by these

2160
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:27,600
guys if they were around you know it

2161
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,360
should have been like a gunshot at least

2162
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,360
even if it was bullet sized so if it's

2163
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:33,600
like as big as a you know a bus it

2164
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,360
should be making a full-on it should be

2165
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:37,520
breaking windows and i mean right chris

2166
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,640
they should have heard an aircraft

2167
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:41,360
engine if it was something that we're

2168
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,800
familiar with i mean it would it would

2169
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,360
have sounded like an f-104 thunder chief

2170
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,679
going by i mean that that's

2171
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:49,360
you should hear something if that's an

2172
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,400
aircraft

2173
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:52,480
it's obviously whatever it is it's not

2174
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:54,400
an aircraft there's obviously a flight

2175
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,910
that's

2176
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,600
wild so they had the power all the way

2177
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,960
back right troy

2178
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,040
yeah he's going from mach 20 plus down

2179
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,120
to six so yeah just dial it back a

2180
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:09,440
little bit but i do want to ask droid i

2181
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:10,960
mean troy what do you think of that you

2182
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:13,520
know is it uh do you just write it off

2183
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:16,239
or yeah that that one i do that one i do

2184
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:17,600
i mean i'm sure there's others that i'm

2185
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:18,640
like

2186
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,400
saw something one night and it boom did

2187
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:24,480
this i i would believe you

2188
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:25,760
period right

2189
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:26,640
um

2190
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,440
this this one here ah yeah i don't know

2191
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:31,120
an amateur video that he doesn't want to

2192
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:33,280
put out for three years

2193
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,640
uh

2194
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,800
it doesn't not today graphically it

2195
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:38,320
doesn't look

2196
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,199
as good as some other ones i've seen

2197
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,560
you know but

2198
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,960
that's just me i think i'm a little bit

2199
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:46,640
on the other side of the fence because i

2200
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:48,560
haven't seen enough

2201
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:52,080
to start to get that interest and and

2202
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:53,120
you know

2203
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,640
yeah i think there's nice and strange

2204
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:56,400
stuff out there let's go

2205
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,760
keep going then what's the next one

2206
01:14:02,709 --> 01:13:59,520
though yeah no i think that's great okay

2207
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:02,719
so here so this next one is um

2208
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,480
was uh shared in 2019's came from jeremy

2209
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:08,000
corbell and it's a

2210
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,199
spherical

2211
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,239
ufo this was captured from the uss omaha

2212
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,800
in a warning area off of

2213
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,480
san diego

2214
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:18,960
so let me full screen that and i've got

2215
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:20,320
the audio on this one too because the

2216
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:22,159
crew this is this was

2217
01:15:08,950 --> 01:14:31,750
yeah this is the beginning when he

2218
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:11,030
some six foot swells well it's getting

2219
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:17,750
yeah we have uh

2220
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,910
all right

2221
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:30,159
that's the clip

2222
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,679
reactions troy what do you think about

2223
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:33,600
that

2224
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,189
a navy ship

2225
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:42,960
correct yeah

2226
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:46,000
it's the uss omaha that video was out of

2227
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:48,239
the cic and i'll just say i'll just

2228
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:49,840
preface this whole thing with saying

2229
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,400
that i believe that the navy's given

2230
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,880
these to jeremy corbell uh because i

2231
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,480
don't think that video would make it off

2232
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:58,000
the cic without someone getting

2233
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:00,400
court-martialed so clearly someone is

2234
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,360
allowing it to be emailed or somehow

2235
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:05,679
dropboxed to jeremy corbell and that's

2236
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:11,270
he's got four or five of them or

2237
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,640
something i don't know two or three i

2238
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,880
don't know how many but he's got i did i

2239
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:16,480
just want to bring up one point since

2240
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:17,280
you

2241
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:20,480
brought it up uh nathan is um mick west

2242
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,960
was saying he has an argument uh

2243
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:24,880
that basically it's just a light behind

2244
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,679
a it's like a flashlight on the horizon

2245
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,560
okay a distant a distant plane

2246
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:32,159
it's a distant plane and that's at the

2247
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,360
end that's what we're seeing right it's

2248
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,199
just it's flying away you get this plane

2249
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,120
that's that's flying away

2250
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,920
you know on below the horizon

2251
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,679
and so that's what you're seeing like

2252
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:43,760
it's like going down like this you know

2253
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:46,000
got it um that's that's spacey's main

2254
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:49,199
argument um but the problem is at the

2255
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:50,400
beginning if you go back to that

2256
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,640
beginning section

2257
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:55,600
uh when it's tracking right you can see

2258
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:57,040
on the bottom screen if you go back to

2259
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,400
the very beginning

2260
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,560
the time

2261
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:02,400
if you look at the azimuth on the bottom

2262
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,600
bottom yeah it should be right at the

2263
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,760
beginning at the bottom it says azimuth

2264
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,159
and it says 15.

2265
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:09,840
do you read it uh

2266
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:10,960
right now

2267
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,960
i i can't read it on here nathan might

2268
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:15,440
be able to but i'm trying hold on the

2269
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,600
representation like our representation

2270
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,520
isn't clear enough because you use this

2271
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:21,520
system right you know the system dj

2272
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:24,480
right is it mx13 or no the one the

2273
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:28,159
aguadilla one i used uh okay yeah okay

2274
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,360
which number would i be looking at the

2275
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,960
bottom left or the

2276
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:33,600
yeah uh so right in the center if you go

2277
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,719
down

2278
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:35,920
if you can maybe follow along with your

2279
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:38,159
mouse i can track you down it says 15.

2280
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:39,280
okay yeah

2281
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:41,600
yeah oh so that is that's azimuth right

2282
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:43,040
so that's how it's looking left and

2283
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:44,800
right and then right next to it is

2284
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:48,239
elevation el and that's up and down um

2285
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:50,000
but i i tried to use that for my

2286
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,679
original video when i was analyzing this

2287
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,280
but i think it's it's not accurate

2288
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,640
enough because i think the ship is like

2289
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:56,400
listing

2290
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:57,520
it's not

2291
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,440
a line but the azimuth does look

2292
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:00,960
accurate to me

2293
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:03,840
um so if you measure the angles and i

2294
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,960
did

2295
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:05,920
um

2296
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:08,880
from time 0 0 when it's at 15 degrees

2297
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:11,760
there so if you go forward 25 seconds if

2298
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:15,040
you just hit play here we can watch it

2299
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,719
and you'll see as he tracks to the right

2300
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:18,159
right so he had to move to the right

2301
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:19,679
he's having to move to the right and

2302
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,360
when he moves the screen when he moves

2303
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:23,440
the actual image you'll see the azimuth

2304
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:24,840
go to the right

2305
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:28,080
right um so basically

2306
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:31,520
yeah so in 25 seconds okay he's

2307
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,400
the camera has to move uh 25 degrees

2308
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,640
does that make sense yeah

2309
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,960
yep so it moves 25 degrees in 20 seconds

2310
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,120
and so i did like some math

2311
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,040
it's like the normal mil radian math i

2312
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:47,280
do i've done in the past

2313
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,800
so you can read this so 25 degrees

2314
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:52,719
right and then if you if you use mil

2315
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,199
radian math i figured out at three miles

2316
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,679
how far did he go

2317
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,600
right and then i'll do six miles and

2318
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,199
then 10 miles oh yeah let's see if you

2319
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:03,040
can bring it up yeah hold on what's it

2320
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,120
going to take it off real quick

2321
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,280
yeah all right

2322
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,080
yeah can you read that yeah hold on i'm

2323
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:11,920
gonna get you

2324
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:13,920
there we go yep there you go okay so

2325
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:15,679
spherical shape ufo right there's your

2326
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,960
time

2327
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:19,280
so it travels uh

2328
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,840
25 degrees in 20 25 seconds so

2329
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,920
sorry it's backwards so that's 25

2330
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,520
degrees off the nose of this basically

2331
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:29,520
up the nose of the ship it tracks right

2332
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,480
yep so i calculated how far it would

2333
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,719
have traveled if it was three miles away

2334
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:36,560
if it was six miles away

2335
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:39,360
and if it was 10 miles away

2336
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,320
right

2337
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:42,400
yep so you can show them out there if it

2338
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,199
was three miles away at the top

2339
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:47,120
then basically you can

2340
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:50,560
it would be going 0.3

2341
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,000
okay so around 250 miles an hour

2342
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:56,159
now if it's six miles away

2343
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,719
it's going around point six two mark

2344
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:00,320
okay

2345
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,880
and if it's ten miles away it's going

2346
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:04,560
past the speed of sound like we talked

2347
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,719
about supersonic okay

2348
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,000
um

2349
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,320
so it's kind of the same issue that mick

2350
01:20:14,950 --> 01:20:12,560
west ended up with in in the gimbal in

2351
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:14,960
the gimbal argument is

2352
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:16,719
it can't be a distant plane over the

2353
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:17,760
horizon

2354
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:20,960
unless it's going well over super sonic

2355
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:23,360
uh because the and that's what he what

2356
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:25,120
he'll do right or i i've seen a lot of

2357
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:26,719
debunkers do it is they'll just pick one

2358
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:27,520
little

2359
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:30,960
this doesn't work

2360
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:33,280
but their argument's incongruent because

2361
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,719
at the beginning of the video like i

2362
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:36,960
just showed it's tracking

2363
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:39,199
so yeah if it's a jet in the distance

2364
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:40,800
it's going well over supersonic and

2365
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,800
that's just if it 10 miles away and we i

2366
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:44,320
mean this thing if it's 10 miles away

2367
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:45,760
you should be able to see what it is i

2368
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:50,070
apologies if i'm asking a dumb question

2369
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:52,000
but if it were that jet right and it

2370
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,199
were

2371
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:55,360
moving at the degree change that you at

2372
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,400
the azimuth change that you've

2373
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:58,080
referenced wouldn't we

2374
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,800
see some sort of profile of this object

2375
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,320
like not just the

2376
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:04,000
down the tailpipe

2377
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:05,520
yeah well i guess his argument is that

2378
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,320
it could be a just a point source

2379
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,560
a heat point source or or it's out of

2380
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,400
focus or something

2381
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,159
i don't it doesn't make sense

2382
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,159
at all really um

2383
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:20,080
but yes if it was 10 miles away if it

2384
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:21,440
was a plane

2385
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,880
uh we should be able to see it should

2386
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,719
look like more like a plane more like a

2387
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,159
couple lightning should see yeah if it's

2388
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:28,560
traveling this way you know at

2389
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,440
uh

2390
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,760
500 miles an hour we should see heat

2391
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,400
shooting out this way you know right it

2392
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,320
shouldn't just look like this

2393
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:39,120
this consistent ball of of heat energy

2394
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,639
just very strange to me um yeah so i'd

2395
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:44,719
it's just more mick

2396
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:47,920
clownery where he is trying to debunk

2397
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,199
navy videos and since he can't attack

2398
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:53,040
the totality of it he'll try to find

2399
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,080
something instead of just saying you

2400
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,560
know what i don't know what it is and

2401
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,800
that's good enough you know because we

2402
01:22:03,110 --> 01:22:00,800
don't know what it is but instead he's

2403
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:03,120
trying to say it's not this

2404
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:05,760
so that he can support his brand his

2405
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:09,040
book his website and he's not even

2406
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,800
approaching it from a position of hey

2407
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,480
let's try to figure out what this thing

2408
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,639
is where it is in space and what it's

2409
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,040
doing so that we could try to analyze

2410
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:19,920
what it might be instead he's starting

2411
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,560
from a position of it's not and this is

2412
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,480
why and i'm just going to take that one

2413
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,639
little sliver of the cheesecake out say

2414
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:28,400
that it is yeah

2415
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:29,760
yeah but it doesn't work right because

2416
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:31,760
he says it's

2417
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:36,000
it might it's obviously a plain range

2418
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,360
you know it is clever right when you

2419
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:39,199
look at the light if they have a

2420
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,320
flashlight i don't have a flashlight

2421
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:42,960
hanging but if you do a flashlight

2422
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,520
you know below it it does actually

2423
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:47,440
it does look like it okay so they're

2424
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,639
they're clever

2425
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,480
his argument makes sense in that

2426
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:52,159
specific little point right but he

2427
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:53,520
doesn't apply the argument over here

2428
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,719
because his argument doesn't make sense

2429
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,639
over here yeah right if it wasn't if it

2430
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:59,360
was a plane at range it can't be going

2431
01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:01,280
well over supersonic that's at 10 miles

2432
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:02,239
right so

2433
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:04,000
you know it it went

2434
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:05,840
it's basically this the distance it is

2435
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,280
so if it's 20 miles away it's going to

2436
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:09,360
be going mach 2.

2437
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:10,320
so

2438
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,080
you know most things can't go mach 2 at

2439
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,400
that at low altitude

2440
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:15,840
and you know it's not that far away the

2441
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,960
curve of the earth is going to make some

2442
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:18,239
big difference so

2443
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:20,320
you know you can't go mach 2 it at a

2444
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:21,440
thousand feet above the ground there's

2445
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,040
just i don't know many planes that can

2446
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,199
even do that um

2447
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,080
yeah so yeah it's it's just uh it's not

2448
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,480
an honest analysis of of what we're

2449
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,560
looking at it's an analysis to try to

2450
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:34,719
draw the conclusion that he wants it to

2451
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:36,800
be instead the rest of us are like i

2452
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:41,830
any other any other partying thoughts on

2453
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,040
this one troy before we go to the next

2454
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,360
one chris how would the math change if

2455
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:47,120
the like do we know if the ship is

2456
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,880
stationary or could it be moving in the

2457
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,719
opposite direction at

2458
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:52,960
15 knots and how would that change math

2459
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,520
yeah it could but but um but that

2460
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:57,520
doesn't change the angles right

2461
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:00,320
you know if it's far away

2462
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:04,000
uh it it it it would just mean that it's

2463
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,440
closer

2464
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,040
right because my camera's got to move a

2465
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,960
little bit quicker to the right if i'm

2466
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,800
going in the opposition oh no if he's

2467
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:13,440
sailing in the same direction right then

2468
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,280
and then do we not have a range on this

2469
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,360
object like uh is that just a camera not

2470
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:19,360
a radar right so we really don't know

2471
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,920
how far that is you know that uh well on

2472
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:23,360
this one there's no

2473
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,320
there's no range from the laser

2474
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,800
so there's no laser range finding

2475
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:30,719
i believe they don't get any returns so

2476
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,080
they're i think they're they're hitting

2477
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,639
lasers at it and so so it's capable

2478
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:36,400
so this camera is capable of giving you

2479
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:39,840
a range it just isn't in this scenario

2480
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,520
lrf armed no return okay so i i'm pretty

2481
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:45,120
sure they fired at this thing with their

2482
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,480
laser

2483
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,719
and they get nothing back um but yet he

2484
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:51,120
said mark bearing in range so perhaps he

2485
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,120
knows what it is but the data wasn't

2486
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:55,040
displayed or given to us was that on the

2487
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:56,840
splash though or on the object

2488
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,679
oh splash maybe that's just a common

2489
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:02,000
phrase to use to say hey write down the

2490
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:03,600
details

2491
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:09,189
write something down yeah

2492
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,719
nathan if you would bring up that

2493
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:12,239
pyramid one thing because i just can't

2494
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:13,679
get enough of seeing that thing if you

2495
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:15,040
can okay

2496
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:16,400
real quick i mean we don't have to spend

2497
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:18,159
a lot of time on it but i love looking

2498
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:19,520
at this thing because it just blows me

2499
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,320
away

2500
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:22,560
but and so troy i think this is one of

2501
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,280
the best you know ir videos we have of

2502
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:27,840
the sphere and then the pyramid one that

2503
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,320
dj's talking about was the same

2504
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,679
uh the same

2505
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,800
time frame

2506
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,239
same event i think it was a different

2507
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:36,080
day or actually it may have been that

2508
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,600
night actually i think it was different

2509
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,280
craft though remember because one of

2510
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,040
them i think this is the omaha and the

2511
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,199
other one is the uss russell there it is

2512
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:44,800
yeah that's awesome yeah but they're all

2513
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,760
together they're on the same uh group

2514
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:49,679
there was a viper group that basically

2515
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:52,159
um oh the viper team

2516
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,669
that's right this is yeah

2517
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,000
yeah if you can find a different version

2518
01:26:09,890 --> 01:26:05,760
the one that shows the whole

2519
01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:17,189
[Laughter]

2520
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,950
that one really blows my mind that

2521
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:20,560
pyramid one it should have been on

2522
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:23,520
jeremy's or yeah george's website sorry

2523
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:24,960
i just didn't have it ready so that's

2524
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,550
they have one

2525
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:32,159
right there the one that has jeremy

2526
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,520
corbell's logo on it i don't know if

2527
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,520
that'll be it but anyway

2528
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:37,120
i was just curious what you guys think

2529
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:38,560
of that what is your thoughts on that

2530
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:45,990
my own just assessment um

2531
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:47,360
is that that

2532
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:48,800
the light

2533
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:50,320
that's that they're emanating whatever

2534
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,760
these objects are

2535
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:53,600
is just so weird

2536
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,120
that it's causing these kind of weird

2537
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:57,280
effects inside of the night vision

2538
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,560
devices

2539
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:00,080
but that's what i think it's showing up

2540
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:03,199
as this weird triangle shape

2541
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:04,880
uh the only the reason i say that is

2542
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:08,480
just because they were they were um

2543
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,800
it's too convenient that all of the

2544
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,719
angles line up the same right if you

2545
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:14,800
measure the angle of that triangle right

2546
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:15,679
there

2547
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:17,440
and you measure it uh

2548
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:19,520
it it's basically the orientation

2549
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,350
as the other ones does that make sense

2550
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:27,840
it seems like it's inside the it

2551
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:30,159
the bokeh the bokeh or bokeh effect

2552
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,920
however you say it no

2553
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,520
it appears like

2554
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,360
it's just so coincidental that they're

2555
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:37,600
all lined up at the same angle right so

2556
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,120
that's why to me it seems like there's

2557
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,679
some effect i guess it could be triangle

2558
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,920
or pyramid shape craft happen to all be

2559
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:45,679
in the same angle

2560
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:47,760
but i think yeah more likely is that

2561
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:50,800
it's those those circle balls

2562
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,679
but the light is just so weird that it's

2563
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,440
and non-compatible that it's causing

2564
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:57,440
some weird effects on the microphone so

2565
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,120
is this somebody is this somebody on the

2566
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,199
ground filming this this is a navy ship

2567
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:04,320
cockpit okay this this is the uss

2568
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:06,560
russell and they're using it if i you

2569
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,960
guys can correct me chris or nathan it's

2570
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:10,560
an on-deck

2571
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:12,159
uh night vision device that they're

2572
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:13,840
looking through and it's filmed by a

2573
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,120
navy pilot from what i understand troy

2574
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:19,199
so i think he's just one of the pilots i

2575
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,719
don't know if he's a helicopter or a

2576
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:21,679
fighter pilot

2577
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,600
what did this object do did it

2578
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:25,199
did it just kind of suspend there or did

2579
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,920
it like leave at some point or is it or

2580
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:29,520
is it going like left to right it's just

2581
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,120
hard to tell because the angle of the

2582
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,960
camera

2583
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:35,120
uh on this you know i actually found i

2584
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:37,040
actually thought that they were um just

2585
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:39,280
sitting there kind of motionless

2586
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:42,159
but they said george knapp um and jeremy

2587
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:43,679
corbell they said that these were

2588
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:46,320
actually following the ship so basically

2589
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,440
going along next to the ship okay

2590
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,360
uh and then going into the water with

2591
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,280
them so mirroring them and there was

2592
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:55,199
multiples of them basically they said

2593
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:56,880
that there there seemed to be like one

2594
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:58,480
that was up high and it would be kind of

2595
01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:01,120
like flashing this weird flash pattern

2596
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,560
and then the other two would be like

2597
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,040
just hanging out not flashing

2598
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:07,679
and and once again troy the navy is

2599
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,040
they're choosing

2600
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,840
and under george knapp is a peabody

2601
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:13,360
award-winning journalist he's been

2602
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:16,320
following the ufo topic for many years

2603
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:17,920
and he has an underling who's a

2604
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,320
filmmaker named jeremy corbell and for

2605
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,480
some reason they have chosen to give

2606
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:25,040
these videos exclusively to jeremy

2607
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:26,080
corbell

2608
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:28,480
and i don't know why but i'm sure it's

2609
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:30,000
coming with with

2610
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,679
somebody on that ship is approving the

2611
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:34,080
release of this video because if not i

2612
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,360
mean they would it wouldn't take him

2613
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,040
very long to figure out who gave it to

2614
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:39,440
him yeah

2615
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,430
uh is this to me i don't know i can't

2616
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,440
see either both of you both of you i

2617
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,760
can't see you nathan

2618
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:51,040
both of you

2619
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:53,520
i think jeremy they just

2620
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,520
it was the viper team right so a viper

2621
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,639
team

2622
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,840
essentially you know they're like it's

2623
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:02,639
like a tiger team for information

2624
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:05,440
um and so basically they were

2625
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:07,920
they were filming inside the cic you

2626
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:09,760
know i think it was basically

2627
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,800
uh personnel from off the ship

2628
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:14,159
came onto the ship

2629
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:16,159
that's my understanding what i'm saying

2630
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,159
is if the video was given to jeremy

2631
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,880
somebody okayed that it didn't no one

2632
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:22,639
just said oh i'm going to take my

2633
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:24,719
private oh you mean like

2634
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:26,800
the provenance of the video and you know

2635
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:29,840
yeah like it was proven up higher to be

2636
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,440
leaked yes it was authorized for release

2637
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:35,520
i'm not saying the word leak

2638
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:37,440
because that that

2639
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:39,280
that means not authorized

2640
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:41,920
right that that they authorized it to be

2641
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:43,520
released to him for whatever their

2642
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:44,960
reasons are i have no idea what those

2643
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:46,800
reasons are

2644
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,440
i don't know i i mean my impression is

2645
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:51,600
that um

2646
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:53,679
no they just uh he got the information

2647
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:56,159
and it was unclassified

2648
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:58,320
that's so that was my impression but

2649
01:31:01,350 --> 01:31:00,080
yeah it's interesting all right let's

2650
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:01,360
look at one more i know we had a couple

2651
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:03,120
others let me do one more

2652
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:09,030
he's gotten two or three videos i i

2653
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,560
can't believe that's a coincidence that

2654
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:12,320
nobody's in trouble

2655
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:13,840
oh yeah

2656
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:16,080
i don't know i mean like like that

2657
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:17,280
compared to the other ones where they're

2658
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:18,880
they're moving

2659
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:20,800
abnormally this one seems to be sitting

2660
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:24,480
there like how i would put a drone over

2661
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:26,400
over a city or

2662
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,679
uh

2663
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:29,280
and you know sometimes we think too i

2664
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:30,960
think the general public like oh wow

2665
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:32,800
you're in the air force then you know a

2666
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:34,800
lot more

2667
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:36,560
to a civilian than you actually know

2668
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:38,560
right it's like uh yeah i had maybe a

2669
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:40,239
top secret clearance but i still know

2670
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,840
anything like i'm not

2671
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,840
like could that be uh could that be an

2672
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:47,600
iranian drone i don't know where they're

2673
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:49,199
at where they're at that that's that's

2674
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:50,800
not what would it be i'm

2675
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:52,080
that's not the question that i'm at

2676
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:53,679
would there be consequences basically

2677
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:54,960
right that's true

2678
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:58,239
no i'm saying if if that video left that

2679
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:02,000
ship and got to a dropbox or an email

2680
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,280
jeremy corbell somebody okayed that they

2681
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:07,920
didn't just email it to jeremy corbell

2682
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:10,239
or send it to his dropbox that's what

2683
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:12,159
i'm saying they may have different navy

2684
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:17,590
yeah but the same viper team i don't

2685
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:19,360
know my impression is there's just one

2686
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:20,960
guy who was on that viper team that gave

2687
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:22,480
all the information but

2688
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:24,159
that's just a guess honestly i'm not i'm

2689
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:25,920
not even saying that's not true i'm not

2690
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:27,679
at disputing that point i'm saying

2691
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:30,719
somebody okayed that up up up top

2692
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:32,239
i doubt it man

2693
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:34,080
i don't know i've got i've got video

2694
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:36,800
that i probably shouldn't have

2695
01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:38,800
i'll do you oh okay well flying around

2696
01:32:46,790 --> 01:32:44,149
i didn't ask uh

2697
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:46,800
cat5 if i could you know

2698
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,280
keep this video or whatever right so

2699
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:50,800
maybe not i mean if the pilot's got a

2700
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:52,480
set of mvgs and he filmed it on his

2701
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:53,760
personal

2702
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:54,960
whatever

2703
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,560
maybe not you can't even you can't have

2704
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:58,960
a cell phone inside the cic i mean

2705
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:01,199
that'd be like taking it in the jock

2706
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:02,400
i know that that's not that's nice i

2707
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:04,239
thought there's a shot out on a navy

2708
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:06,400
ship i thought it was fun

2709
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,360
yeah no no this is from up and dec uh dj

2710
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,280
which one but i'm saying they're all

2711
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:13,199
being given to him it's not a

2712
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:14,880
coincidence what i'm saying is

2713
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:17,280
somebody's allowing that that video came

2714
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:18,800
off of the cic

2715
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:20,719
someone uh authorized that it wasn't the

2716
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:23,360
cic well the first one i mean it's

2717
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,760
possible right so i guess it's it's um

2718
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,520
that's you know the cic's down in the

2719
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:29,120
center of the ship right so that's right

2720
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:30,880
so the the first one the sphere when we

2721
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:33,120
looked at was cic the the triangle one

2722
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:34,480
was dec

2723
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:36,400
right right correct no no i don't think

2724
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:39,040
it's cic that you're uh that that sphere

2725
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,159
one that's that's up in the in the deck

2726
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,400
oh yeah that's what i read was whatever

2727
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:46,480
it was on this cockpit

2728
01:33:51,430 --> 01:33:49,120
oh really i believe so i mean i don't

2729
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:51,440
think they're filming down in the cic um

2730
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:52,560
yeah

2731
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:56,320
filming that was the um

2732
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,719
that's the spinning marine radar it's

2733
01:34:02,470 --> 01:34:00,800
like seeking

2734
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,480
uh and then i think they just had the

2735
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:04,400
other one like up on the on the screen

2736
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:06,239
so it's not classified

2737
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:08,560
like the cic should have all your

2738
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:11,199
the c giraffe whatever that classified

2739
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,960
system radar is that we'll never see

2740
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,199
right but they have all the information

2741
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:17,520
you know they should have had like high

2742
01:34:22,149 --> 01:34:19,920
high quality radar track on that thing

2743
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:22,159
oh yeah not just like this spinny radar

2744
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,199
that we're seeing you know you should

2745
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:25,280
have weapons quality you know radar

2746
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,800
tracking it

2747
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:28,560
um so where's all that information you

2748
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:30,080
know i think if it was really going to

2749
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:32,480
be approved for release hopefully we

2750
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,840
would get more information than just

2751
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:35,760
this these kind of crappy

2752
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:39,040
uh well not crappy but

2753
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:40,960
let's say short uh

2754
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,199
truncated videos right don't have a lot

2755
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:44,800
of information

2756
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:46,400
right more would be better well let's

2757
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:47,840
look at this last one here then we'll

2758
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:55,350
there's a whole fleet of look on the

2759
01:35:00,149 --> 01:34:57,040
essay

2760
01:35:01,510 --> 01:35:00,159
oh my gosh

2761
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:01,520
they're all going against the wind the

2762
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:26,709
all right

2763
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:32,310
so what do you what do you hear him say

2764
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:38,149
no at the beginning when he talks about

2765
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:47,910
what do you hear him say

2766
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:50,400
it's uh it's an effing drone bro is what

2767
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:51,600
i heard

2768
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:53,760
he says it is or it isn't i don't know

2769
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:55,119
it is that's that's what i thought he

2770
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,960
said that's what you got okay

2771
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,040
i'm curious

2772
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:01,040
that's a good question i never analyzed

2773
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:03,520
that that yeah it could be either one

2774
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:12,629
i don't know

2775
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:17,750
who wants to take who wants to take

2776
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:18,880
reaction to this one chris i know you've

2777
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:20,960
done a breakdown on it uh troy what do

2778
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,639
you think of it

2779
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:24,480
yeah i love the pilot's reaction right

2780
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:26,000
because it's

2781
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:26,800
it

2782
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:30,560
this is different this is different

2783
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,520
tonight

2784
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:33,360
it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me

2785
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:34,800
uh visually

2786
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,590
i want to see some of this stuff with my

2787
01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:43,440
own eyes and i want then i want to know

2788
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:45,199
the government knows

2789
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,960
like let's stop playing games and then i

2790
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:48,400
want to meet the men that are flying

2791
01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:50,159
these things you know like let's get on

2792
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:51,280
with it

2793
01:36:53,350 --> 01:36:52,560
so i just kind of want to jump to the

2794
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,360
end

2795
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,440
you know of the uh of the mystery i mean

2796
01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:57,840
i i love it

2797
01:37:03,270 --> 01:36:59,840
uh

2798
01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:03,280
let's let's get after these guys let's

2799
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,159
shoot it down let's let's analyze it

2800
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:08,800
and let's get on with it you know

2801
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,719
i like it

2802
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:12,400
you said men though you think it's

2803
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:14,560
humans if it is i would say it is only

2804
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:16,239
because i have a small imagination right

2805
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:18,880
of just you know ep and uh you know

2806
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:20,560
predator one of the greatest movies ever

2807
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:22,159
you know absolutely

2808
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,960
uh

2809
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,400
that that's why right because it's it's

2810
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:26,639
implanted right i think that's why

2811
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,239
they're not they're going with uaps and

2812
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:31,280
ufos right i think ufo has a

2813
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:33,600
from the 1950s right it has it has

2814
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:36,639
something to it of sci-fi and

2815
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:39,199
not not real maybe right so i think

2816
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:41,360
they're trying to up their game here

2817
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:43,040
um

2818
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:44,719
so that's all i can think of right is i

2819
01:37:50,950 --> 01:37:46,719
i

2820
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,960
pretty advanced

2821
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,800
and i would love if that's us that has

2822
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,480
this stuff and we're

2823
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:56,719
you know we're flying stuff around and

2824
01:38:01,910 --> 01:38:00,480
private citizens are seeing it but uh

2825
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,920
yeah i don't know a pretty big universe

2826
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:03,679
out there

2827
01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:09,590
i mean i'm in the same boat um like the

2828
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:11,119
frustration right because there's so

2829
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:12,320
many like there we have all these little

2830
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:13,840
nuggets you know these little nuggets

2831
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:15,360
and and we've got skilled people who've

2832
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,560
looked at this and they've given some

2833
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:18,560
interesting thoughts on it uh but

2834
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:20,080
clearly we aren't getting the whole

2835
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:22,159
picture and that's just

2836
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:24,400
super frustrating like why why the

2837
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:26,960
breadcrumbs you know why why

2838
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:31,040
uh these tiny pieces and what is the

2839
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:33,199
what is the story here

2840
01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:36,639
um so yeah i'm with you

2841
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,920
yeah i think there's just so much

2842
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,000
evidence i mean

2843
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:42,320
just keep looking troy i mean yeah but i

2844
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:44,159
mean you say evidence here's where i met

2845
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,920
with this right and i'm not as

2846
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,239
experienced you guys say evidence

2847
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:49,920
well evidence of what evidence of

2848
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:52,159
something unexplained

2849
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,520
yes

2850
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:55,760
i mean so but what does that mean

2851
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:59,040
like what like why when i say what does

2852
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:01,280
it mean i say i kind of like why do i

2853
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,400
care as well right like i've got

2854
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,800
i've got ice fishing coming up

2855
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:08,239
right so i'm looking at where i'm gonna

2856
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:09,119
go

2857
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,800
i don't own a snowmobile yet so i'm

2858
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:12,560
gonna have to walk like i've got things

2859
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:15,280
on my to-do list yes and until these

2860
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:16,639
things start uh you know like

2861
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:19,040
independence day until will smith joins

2862
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,719
the marine corps because f-18 pilot like

2863
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,800
i i don't see it as a threat to national

2864
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:26,560
security yet

2865
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:27,679
right so

2866
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,560
i agree unexplained evidence but

2867
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:32,880
what's the why behind it i guess and i'm

2868
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:35,280
not trying to be rude i'm just like not

2869
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:36,960
not at all troy but i do want to say

2870
01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:39,360
this ryan graves one of your colleagues

2871
01:39:44,470 --> 01:39:41,679
in the navy just was at that aviation

2872
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:44,480
safety conference where he briefed these

2873
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:46,880
things followed us on deployment we saw

2874
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:49,119
them every day for a year

2875
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:51,679
one of them split a formation of two

2876
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:52,960
and first of all you get into your

2877
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:55,600
working airspace and they're there every

2878
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:56,800
day

2879
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:58,800
yeah

2880
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:01,840
file some maybe file some hatters the

2881
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,400
faa you know and the the bureaucratic uh

2882
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:05,840
you know government

2883
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,920
will will get involved i don't know yeah

2884
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,040
i mean

2885
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:11,360
nobody's hit with me right

2886
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,360
it seems so coincidental though that

2887
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:15,440
just the

2888
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,199
you know that there's been you know

2889
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:19,280
reports of flying saucers for like 70

2890
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:20,239
years

2891
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,840
and now we get this video which is

2892
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:23,360
confirmed

2893
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:25,119
you know valid from the from the us

2894
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,199
government and it looks like a flying

2895
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:29,040
saucer you know that's just for me

2896
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:30,960
that's like yeah

2897
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:33,280
i mean so what if the last 70 years been

2898
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:34,400
so like they've been saying that

2899
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,560
everybody's just crazy you know that

2900
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:38,719
that you know these uh people that said

2901
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:40,960
they've seen ufos or flying saucers it's

2902
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:44,320
just ridiculous you know crackpots but

2903
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:46,320
now they're like now it's like oh oh no

2904
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:47,920
like we have a video of flying saucers

2905
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:49,199
so that

2906
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,880
i don't know for me i just i just kind

2907
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:52,800
of feel very

2908
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:55,760
curious as to what what is going on

2909
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:57,679
i just want to say i watched a 12-minute

2910
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,320
video today of pilots

2911
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:02,719
ever so this was ufo sightings every

2912
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:05,760
single one of them was a pilot

2913
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:08,480
military civilian foreign military

2914
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:09,760
french

2915
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:10,800
english

2916
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:12,560
and every one of them was saying this is

2917
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:14,080
what i saw

2918
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:14,800
so

2919
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:19,920
of view it's not hovering over my the

2920
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:22,400
area where i'm trying to put my auger in

2921
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:23,360
to dig

2922
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:26,239
hole for my ice fishing but for graves

2923
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:29,040
he's like this is existential it's in my

2924
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:34,790
or why they're there and is it a threat

2925
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:36,159
or isn't it right

2926
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,920
you could file hatters from now till the

2927
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,360
end of the century that's not going to

2928
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:41,520
do anything i was just joking about you

2929
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,560
know

2930
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:44,560
getting the fba involved

2931
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:49,270
nothing to see here doesn't exist

2932
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:50,159
um

2933
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:53,040
in fact the one the 1986 japan airlines

2934
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,880
won that guy came to the national press

2935
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:56,719
club and said

2936
01:42:02,310 --> 01:41:59,199
he worked for the faa he was an official

2937
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:02,320
and basically that 747 this big craft

2938
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:04,080
turned up right in front of it they gave

2939
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:05,760
him a turn and it followed him around

2940
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:08,159
the turn gigantic

2941
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:10,080
craft of some sort he said you know what

2942
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,239
they could wash it away i still have the

2943
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:14,960
teletype of all that audio in my house

2944
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:16,320
they could do whatever they want with

2945
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:18,480
the the tapes i still have the the

2946
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:21,360
actual uh data yeah

2947
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:23,440
and troy have you as a civilian pilot

2948
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:25,600
have you gotten any has there been any

2949
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,960
talk at all of ufos or uaps or seeing

2950
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:30,960
balls of light or anything

2951
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:33,199
no and you know maybe

2952
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:35,360
maybe i'll start asking now after after

2953
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:36,800
being on this right i was looking for

2954
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,679
some sort of conversation starter

2955
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:41,280
i never have and i've never

2956
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,719
in 20 years

2957
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:44,400
heard anybody talk about and honestly

2958
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,400
like i think

2959
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:48,080
i don't think personally there'd be a

2960
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,159
stigma against it back then i think you

2961
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,560
know you you have enough beers

2962
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,199
and in your enough situations to wear

2963
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,880
mm-hmm you know guys would be like oh

2964
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,360
yeah you know the cool story this story

2965
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:01,119
and then i'll one-up you with with

2966
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,679
another story right and only 10 needs to

2967
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:05,920
be true never heard

2968
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,840
never heard any of it um

2969
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,360
personally for people i know you know

2970
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:11,119
what i mean like face to face i'm sure

2971
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:12,320
kind of

2972
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:14,239
i haven't heard any yeah

2973
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:16,159
well i think it's so easy yeah like you

2974
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:18,480
said it doesn't apply so

2975
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:21,600
you just let it go you know or um

2976
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:23,600
i could just see how i can imagine just

2977
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:25,920
hundreds of these stories happening but

2978
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:27,760
just like you said in a bar people are

2979
01:43:30,310 --> 01:43:29,360
talking about it somebody's drunk yeah i

2980
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:30,320
saw this

2981
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:32,000
flying saucer thing it was flying next

2982
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,840
to me and then flew off

2983
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:35,440
and and like just like you said it'd be

2984
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:38,320
like oh that's crazy you know and then

2985
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:39,679
everyone just goes on with their lives

2986
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:41,119
like nothing changes i really think

2987
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:42,639
that's that's what because it really

2988
01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:44,000
takes somebody to

2989
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:45,679
to just like raise their hand and be

2990
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:47,760
like wait hold on you know it's like

2991
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:48,880
everyone's already left you know

2992
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:50,400
everyone's ready you know they're going

2993
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:52,560
to the party but you're like wait hold

2994
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:54,400
on well yeah and if you haven't captured

2995
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:55,280
it

2996
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:56,880
right now now you can't

2997
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:58,800
kind of prove it or analyze it and now

2998
01:44:02,310 --> 01:44:00,159
we're starting to do that right and is

2999
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,320
there any connection between the amount

3000
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:04,960
of cameras everybody has in their pocket

3001
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,280
compared to 70 years ago the amount of

3002
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:09,840
electronic

3003
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,239
just energy we we shoot out there i mean

3004
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:14,320
does it make sense that we're picking up

3005
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:16,480
so much more footage than we did 70

3006
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:18,000
years ago

3007
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,280
i i tend to think maybe yeah

3008
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:23,760
i also i also said to them troy if you

3009
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:25,840
look at the eglin range

3010
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,719
there are more systems with sensors

3011
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:31,119
operating on the eglin range on a

3012
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:32,880
nightly basis than anywhere else in the

3013
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:33,679
world

3014
01:44:37,709 --> 01:44:36,159
and i'll challenge anybody you have

3015
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:37,719
mc-130s

3016
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:40,560
ac-130s of different types you have

3017
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:44,320
f-15s you have f-16s you have f-35s you

3018
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:47,600
have f-22s all operating on one range

3019
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,480
and i haven't heard of one but for some

3020
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,960
reason the nuclear-powered navy ships

3021
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,880
they're interested in

3022
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:56,639
so what are you trying to say

3023
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,760
i don't know

3024
01:45:03,189 --> 01:44:59,840
i'm saying it's not up there's not a

3025
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:03,199
yeah the uf the the uap tf report

3026
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,840
indicated there's a collection bias

3027
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:07,920
that may be because the navy's out there

3028
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,679
with all these sensors and i was like

3029
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,520
well then if that's the case the eglin

3030
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:12,800
range we should be seeing them every

3031
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:15,199
night because there's more sensors

3032
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:17,360
on that range every night than any other

3033
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:18,880
place on the planet that i could think

3034
01:45:20,950 --> 01:45:19,600
of

3035
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:20,960
not just sometimes

3036
01:45:25,189 --> 01:45:23,440
like in a 24 hour period but i just

3037
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:25,199
wonder though too if you're not

3038
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:26,480
you know

3039
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:27,600
if you don't have your sensors pointed

3040
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:28,639
in the right spot you're not going to

3041
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,239
see anything besides what you've seen

3042
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,560
every night for the last 20 years on the

3043
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:34,719
range right um sure

3044
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,239
maybe something's even come up on it but

3045
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:38,320
it's just uh

3046
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:39,920
i didn't even kind of yeah something

3047
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:42,960
unusual is there but hey my job is to

3048
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:45,760
run these these widgets and

3049
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:46,639
you know

3050
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:48,239
yeah well there's an operating paradigm

3051
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:49,679
right so like if it doesn't fit within

3052
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:51,840
that paradigm it's just it's just noise

3053
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,600
it's just not easily dismissed right

3054
01:45:58,229 --> 01:45:55,360
exactly yeah that could be there could

3055
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:58,239
be two so yeah just hope this time we we

3056
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:01,199
you know we focus down and

3057
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:02,480
i don't know what's going on why do i

3058
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:05,040
look like i'm glowing

3059
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:06,639
you're fading out on me

3060
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:08,719
oh my goodness yeah

3061
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:10,400
i was getting tired but i'm like man it

3062
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:12,159
looks like i'm turning into a ghost or

3063
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:13,360
something

3064
01:46:17,350 --> 01:46:15,360
we're going to let you go but i did i

3065
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:17,360
did want to offer something up uh before

3066
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:19,600
we uh before we get you guys out of here

3067
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:22,320
and that is that on the 20th we are

3068
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,280
going to have on former u.s air force

3069
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:26,880
combat controller

3070
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:30,080
and osi officer rick dodi if you google

3071
01:46:34,709 --> 01:46:33,119
his name rick and then d-o-t-y you'll

3072
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:34,719
find out who he is

3073
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:36,800
and it's crash retrieval week so one of

3074
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:40,000
our colleagues uh in on the ufo twitter

3075
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:43,119
community has asked everybody to do

3076
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:43,920
uh

3077
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:46,800
a show that talks about crashes and

3078
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:49,280
possible retrievals so we're gonna bring

3079
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:51,920
on this former u.s air force guy uso he

3080
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:53,360
actually retired from the new mexico

3081
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,400
state police

3082
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:57,040
after his two twin-tiered air force

3083
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,080
career

3084
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,320
very interesting guy a heavy hitter in

3085
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:02,880
the intel and os i've heard of him yeah

3086
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:04,880
rick dodi and if you guys want to come

3087
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:06,960
on you want to ask him a question he

3088
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:10,239
says that he has been told that uh we

3089
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,360
have captured cr that uh we have uh

3090
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,600
captured downed craft he has written

3091
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:16,960
that on yeah

3092
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:19,360
i want to ask him i want to ask him

3093
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:21,520
about it i'm not gonna there are people

3094
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:23,600
who say he was counter intel and all

3095
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:26,480
this he was at kirtland with uh uh

3096
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:28,800
uh like us troy but he was on the osi

3097
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:29,920
side of things

3098
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:32,880
and um he says that

3099
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:35,040
he's got information on several of these

3100
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:36,400
different things and

3101
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:37,840
i would like to ask him about it and see

3102
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:39,520
if he'll open up about it a little bit

3103
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:41,440
you are america of course we've captured

3104
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:43,760
this stuff right i mean absolutely what

3105
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:45,040
haven't we done

3106
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,360
you guys are more than more than welcome

3107
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:49,040
to to

3108
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:51,040
come on if you want to ask him something

3109
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:53,280
about it uh i find the guy pretty

3110
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:55,920
fascinating and and uh i'm looking

3111
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:57,520
forward to talking to him yeah it should

3112
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,360
be a good show speaking of good show

3113
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:01,199
this was a great show and i wanted to

3114
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,199
thank all of you guys for taking the

3115
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:05,520
time out of your busy schedules to

3116
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:07,280
uh to speak with us and talk about this

3117
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:08,719
stuff i think it was incredibly

3118
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,600
interesting uh you educated me a lot on

3119
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:13,280
on everything on your backgrounds and

3120
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:15,119
expertise so i really i can't thank you

3121
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:16,320
enough and thank you for taking time to

3122
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:18,320
look at these videos and give reactions

3123
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:20,719
a really interesting perspective so

3124
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:22,000
looking forward to hopefully getting a

3125
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:24,320
chance to talk with you all again and uh

3126
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,679
with that being said those of you

3127
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:27,119
watching please don't forget to like and

3128
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:29,119
subscribe to our channel calling all

3129
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:30,159
beings we're getting started and there

3130
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:32,239
will be more good things to come thank

3131
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:34,480
you and as my co-host likes to say one

3132
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:35,280
love

3133
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:39,440
and we'll see you down the road chris

3134
01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:42,639
lato and my brother troy broskovitz see

3135
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:45,199
you thanks herman for being here and uh